dommisse Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I'm ordering that Steak from Spain (Contador special) as we speak! Gravity Sux and Tiny K 2
Tiny K Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I have started controlling the quantity and proportion of food (protein, carbs, free foods) that I consume and have lost 3Kg's since Dec. As some have said, it depends on your own genetics. Low Gi is not the be all and end all anymore. The Gi of a slice of white bread is 70, but tests showed that it gave readings between the 50' and 130's for different people. Tests also found that something that responded as a low Gi in the Am, could have high Gi responses in the PM. Carbs would most likely have the same effect - different responses to each persons own genetics and lifestyle.
manbearpig Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I read the full article and from my understanding he is saying that different people process carbs differently or at a different rate. If you don't process carbs well and can be classed as pre diabetic you will be better off stuffing your face with a rump steak during exercise. Those that burn carbs easily will still perform better chomping carbs. AS I said that's my understanding.... Tiny K and _David_ 2
Excite_Bike Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Apparently Noakes is folling the New Atkins Diets which says that you have to cut out most of your carbs for the first two weeks and then slowly start introducing them in small amongs. The idea is to find out to which cards you body adversly reacts and which it doesnt. Nobody tells us that foods (like medication) have side effects. These may not be serve, however they may cause something like weight gain. So, in this way everyone can develope a personalised eating plan with the correct and correct amount of carbs for them. Been doing this for the last three weeks and it is working. Substituning cream for milk in coffee, eat loads of good fats etc.
Pronutro Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I read the full article and from my understanding he is saying that different people process carbs differently or at a different rate. If you don't process carbs well and can be classed as pre diabetic you will be better off stuffing your face with a rump steak during exercise. Those that burn carbs easily will still perform better chomping carbs. AS I said that's my understanding....
SwissVan Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 My inlaws are out here visiting and told us about this artical in YOU magaizine where Prof Noakes said you dont need to carbo load (ok thats not exactly what he means but...) and I'm like thinking to myself...they must be confused... WTFlip it seems like they were right and it's the good ole Prof whose confused.... Yeah...Sports Science is a good example of WIP (Work in bloddy Progress)
Slowbee Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I have started controlling the quantity and proportion of food (protein, carbs, free foods) that I consume and have lost 3Kg's since Dec. As some have said, it depends on your own genetics. Low Gi is not the be all and end all anymore. The Gi of a slice of white bread is 70, but tests showed that it gave readings between the 50' and 130's for different people. Tests also found that something that responded as a low Gi in the Am, could have high Gi responses in the PM. Carbs would most likely have the same effect - different responses to each persons own genetics and lifestyle. did you have the 3ks to loose ? Dude you were skinny in dec already !
Tiny K Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 did you have the 3ks to loose ? Dude you were skinny in dec already ! LOL! ja, and I still have these bloody 'love handles' to get rid of too! another 5Kg's I reckon - it's gonna be a tough winter for me - loads of training.
flymango Posted March 9, 2012 Author Posted March 9, 2012 LOL! ja, and I still have these bloody 'love handles' to get rid of too! another 5Kg's I reckon - it's gonna be a tough winter for me - loads of training.... fat and protein. Fixed it. Tiny K 1
Wonder Woman Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I think I love my carbs too much to even try this. I don't think I'm CR but would be worried about my cholesterl eating all that stuff, that's where my problem lies And, once again folks, everyone is different so what works for one may do nothing for the next, why does it have to be so complicated and difficult?? Edited March 9, 2012 by Wonder Woman
Tiny K Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I'm ordering that Steak from Spain (Contador special) as we speak! Do a bulk order like we do CRC - I am in for the win!
Goodbadugly Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I recently read Joe Friel's book. Very much the same idea as Noakes. Only complex carbs. No sugars. And he also gave cross refs. So I am inclined to think they just might have a point. I will take some time to get the paradigm shift away from the carbs though.It is also interesting how internet experts (read thehubsa PhD's) pick holes in honored profs with LOADS of studies (real ones, not the rubbish quoted by marketeers peddling wonder vitamines). milky4130 1
goya-goya Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 I have just learned that no-one knows what is the best of anything! Yea you can try whatever you like and it may or may not work for you... but its all just guess work backed up with a bit of science to prove the point they are trying to make with the technology that we have at the time! It just makes me sick that we hold a guy so highly when he says he was wrong for so long... and we listen to him again(sic)... Julius could learn a thing or 2 about politics from a guy who's career more than likely needed a boost! (sic)
goya-goya Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 oh by the way... even the **** i spew is mostly *** and only really only pertains to me and my limited experience
Goodbadugly Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I have just learned that no-one knows what is the best of anything! Yea you can try whatever you like and it may or may not work for you... but its all just guess work backed up with a bit of science to prove the point they are trying to make with the technology that we have at the time! It just makes me sick that we hold a guy so highly when he says he was wrong for so long... and we listen to him again(sic)... Julius could learn a thing or 2 about politics from a guy who's career more than likely needed a boost! (sic) Ja. Always a difficult call what to believe and what not. Where does marketing end and where does truth begin. The Americans marketing their wars, the truth being somewhere between capitalism, getting their budget to balance and oil.Juju marketing landgrabbing. Etc.Next door on the chit chat forum the atheists are having their ball marketing.And then you get the academics. The only way to get a piece of the pie for them is to publish. The more the publications, the more credable you are.The problem with studying ANYTHING connected to humans is the wide variations of peoples on earth. Big small fat skinny fit unfit old young male female etc.Then you get the Cro magnon types and the Justin Biebers. And what buggers up your whole study is that sometimes the subjects feel just plain off. And in women you get the hormones! As you can imagine LOTS of variables in subjects.The next little hurdle in exercise studies are the amount of exercise you are going to study. When do you start to class the exercise as "endurance" like Iron Man, Comrades and Epic.How on earth are you going to study 50 prime subjects doing the Epic on MCT's and the same 50 subjects doing it on proteins end then on carbs? By the time you have finished the study, half of them will have died off from old age. So these studies are shortened.Take the Andrew Jones studies on beetroot juice for instance. He studied improved ENDURANCE on athletes drinking beetroot juice. 15% improvement on endurance. In small print: They cycled up to 10 miles. Ja sure. Define endurance.Because of these shortcomings in human studies, we end up with data dots all over the place.The ONLY way to make any sence of these studies is with meta analasys. (Pooling all the studies from multiple centres)And a meta analasys on the Noakes findings are still a long way off.Then there is the perverse incentive thing as well...At what point are authors publishing real worthwhile stuff and at what point are they just marketing themselves. In the mean time?Take note of these studies.Try it and see what works for youDon't throw out the baby with the bath water.What is your personal idea of endurance?Bottom line: Train harder to improve endurance. Edited March 9, 2012 by Goodbadugly
Big Ed Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Having experimented with different diets through 20 years of endurance sport, I have always felt very weak after a day or so of high fat/protein with low carbs. Definitely doesn't work for me + I love carbs!!! I also cannot imagine the top Kenyan/Ethiopian runners would perform as well using Tim Noakes' new diet plan....
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