LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[Rocket-Boy]

Hi guys,

 

My wife and I started to "Bant" a week ago,yesterday we did the Eston Mtb race a mere 60km,she hit the wall at 20 and I bonked at 50,how long before we will be riding "normally" again.

 

I believe this topic must have been addressed somewhere in the 217 pages,but would appreciate some feedback and HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Doing the Crater Cruise in September and started to train for the Homeward Bound challenge in November

 

Thanx

 

At a week in Im surprised you were able to do anything!!

Most people are either battling from "carb flu" or just have 0 energy, I know I battled for about 2 weeks.

What I found when I was fully in ketosis after a couple of weeks was that my short distance speed was down but endurance was up.

If I compare my running then the 5k time was slower but my 10-15k time was definitely faster.

[GT-fan]

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[Accelerate]

It is the first time I want to bake something on LCHF .... is Flaxseed Powder the same as flaxseeds that I mill in my coffee grinder?

[F111]

At a week in Im surprised you were able to do anything!!

Most people are either battling from "carb flu" or just have 0 energy, I know I battled for about 2 weeks.

What I found when I was fully in ketosis after a couple of weeks was that my short distance speed was down but endurance was up.

If I compare my running then the 5k time was slower but my 10-15k time was definitely faster.

I think the answer is to train low carb and low carb for endurance events. Race on sugar

[Blokman]

Heard this last night. Family member obese with high sugar and cholesterol, went onto strict Noakes diet without telling his doctor.

Had his blood tests done.phones the GP.

"Sorry you'll have to redo , they must have mixed your test with that of somebody else. All results normal here."

His off the statins and insulin. Lost 18 kgs so far.

[SimpleDom]

Heard this last night. Family member obese with high sugar and cholesterol, went onto strict Noakes diet without telling his doctor.

Had his blood tests done.phones the GP.

"Sorry you'll have to redo , they must have mixed your test with that of somebody else. All results normal here."

His off the statins and insulin. Lost 18 kgs so far.

Get them to Send his story to noakes.... He could use more case studies I'm sure...

[DieVlieg]

How does a deviation from a low carb diet influence the whole process. I was on a strict low carb diet for 3 or 4 weeks but in the last 3 days got knocked out of routine due to unplanned emergency travel arrangements. Can this just be seen as a spike of carb intakes that lasted for three days and now that I am back on low carb my process is unaffected.

 

Also how does a once of discretion once a week influence your LCHF long term goals. Things like eating a magnum on a Sunday, a hot dog on Saturday, pizza on Friday or braai broodjie on Wednesday. I know doing all in one week or even just more than one in a single week is probably very wrong. But once a week? Does that just nullify a whole week of correct eating?

[davetapson]

How does a deviation from a low carb diet influence the whole process. I was on a strict low carb diet for 3 or 4 weeks but in the last 3 days got knocked out of routine due to unplanned emergency travel arrangements. Can this just be seen as a spike of carb intakes that lasted for three days and now that I am back on low carb my process is unaffected.

 

Also how does a once of discretion once a week influence your LCHF long term goals. Things like eating a magnum on a Sunday, a hot dog on Saturday, pizza on Friday or braai broodjie on Wednesday. I know doing all in one week or even just more than one in a single week is probably very wrong. But once a week? Does that just nullify a whole week of correct eating?

 

Life happens. Just keep on keeping on. A year down the line this will mean nothing.

 

We often eat out on Friday nights - normally always the Spur (having young kids will do that to you...) So, I've stopped stressing - Spur, I eat a steak, have it with veg (the veg probably has added sugar to make it palatable), have a beer or two, maybe dessert - whatever. Doesn't seem to do any damage.

 

You do have to be careful the next day tho, as those carb cravings can come back. If you do this, you have to deal with the fact that you will probably have to deal with carb cravings.

 

Which leads to the second part of your question - the odd carb is not going to make a huge diffs - except, that it will probably trigger carb cravings, and you'll be keeping yourself in a constant state of carb craving. Me, I'd not go there.

[Rocket-Boy]

How does a deviation from a low carb diet influence the whole process. I was on a strict low carb diet for 3 or 4 weeks but in the last 3 days got knocked out of routine due to unplanned emergency travel arrangements. Can this just be seen as a spike of carb intakes that lasted for three days and now that I am back on low carb my process is unaffected.

 

Also how does a once of discretion once a week influence your LCHF long term goals. Things like eating a magnum on a Sunday, a hot dog on Saturday, pizza on Friday or braai broodjie on Wednesday. I know doing all in one week or even just more than one in a single week is probably very wrong. But once a week? Does that just nullify a whole week of correct eating?

I travel often for work and just try to stick to steak and veg when Im away.

I generally do a cheat day every 2nd week and it has not affected me negatively at all.

[davetapson]

Had a Vitality assessment at the gym this morning. Told the vampire lady that I was LCHF and that my cholesterol would probably be high. "Oh yes, says she, everyone who is LCHF'ing has high choleterol".

 

Anyway, your cholesterol on their test is supposed to be 5 in a fasted state. I was kind of fasted - had had a cup of tea with milk, and ate what was left on the spoon after giving my daughter double cream yoghurt for breakfast. She reckons that a cup of tea will push the reading up by .5.

 

Mine was 5.39 - that with tea and a bit of double cream yog. I'm quite chuffed with that. (Even tho' it's a pointless exercise as it doesn't measure specific cholesterol types etc etc...)

[tombeej]

Had a Vitality assessment at the gym this morning. Told the vampire lady that I was LCHF and that my cholesterol would probably be high. "Oh yes, says she, everyone who is LCHF'ing has high choleterol".

 

Anyway, your cholesterol on their test is supposed to be 5 in a fasted state. I was kind of fasted - had had a cup of tea with milk, and ate what was left on the spoon after giving my daughter double cream yoghurt for breakfast. She reckons that a cup of tea will push the reading up by .5.

 

Mine was 5.39 - that with tea and a bit of double cream yog. I'm quite chuffed with that. (Even tho' it's a pointless exercise as it doesn't measure specific cholesterol types etc etc...)

 

Their assessment is completely useless unfortunately. Total Cholesterol is a meaningless number and Discovery need to get this sorted out, but I guess the cost of doing a proper test is prohibitive.

 

Rising HDL is good, and that's part of the total count of course.

 

The critical things to know are your triglyceride and VLDL levels. These are the 'baddies'. The Vitality test doesn't even consider tri's or lipoprotein particle size, so it becomes a worthless test in my view.

 

The other thing we need to keep in mind is that a cholesterol test is just a snapshot of what is happening in your body at a specific point in time. Your cholesterol levels go up and down all the time. The could be low this morning, but high later today.

 

If you are keen to know the proper truth, rather take the time to do a proper cholesterol test that gives you the numbers for your tri's and HDL/LDL (and VLDL) split.

 

And then if there are any concerns, you need to do it regularly so that you can see what the real picture over time looks like.

Edited August 6, 2014 by tombeej

[SportySpice]

Is it okay to use honey?

Also what do you race with?

[davetapson]

Their assessment is completely useless unfortunately. Total Cholesterol is a meaningless number and Discovery need to get this sorted out, but I guess the cost of doing a proper test is prohibitive.

 

Rising HDL is good, and that's part of the total count of course.

 

The critical things to know are your triglyceride and VLDL levels. These are the 'baddies'. The Vitality test doesn't even consider tri's or liporpotein particle size, so it becomes a worthless test in my view.

 

The other thing we need to keep in mind is that a cholesterol test is just a snapshot of what is happening in your body at a specific point in time. Your cholesterol levels go up and down all the time. The could be low this morning, but high later today.

 

If you are keen to know the proper truth, rather take the time to do a proper cholesterol test that gives you the numbers for your tri's and HDL/LDL (and VLDL) split.

 

And then if there are any concerns, you need to do it regularly so that you can see what the real picture over time looks like.

 

Yep, 100%.

 

My wife has been threatening to do the full lipids thing on me for a while now. I should just do it.

[tombeej]

Re. Cholesterol, I know this one has been posted before, but these things are always good for a refresh every now and then (especially considering that we're over 200 pages for version 2 now).

 

How to interpret Cholesterol test results.

 

Take not of the point that regular tests over time produce the info you need.

• Rising HDL over time signals a healthy system.
  
• Rising tri's and/or VLDL signify a declining system (increasing risk of heart disease) and a cause for concern.
  

[tombeej]

Yep, 100%.

 

My wife has been threatening to do the full lipids thing on me for a while now. I should just do it.

 

Let us know how much it costs. I haven't done a proper test myself, so I'm also keen to get it done too (then try and keep doing).

[tombeej]

Is it okay to use honey?

Also what do you race with?

 

I love honey (too much, in fact). It's one of natures most energy-dense food sources and has great benefits.

But for people who are trying to stay strict and in ketosis, get into LCHF routine for the first time, suffer from a sweet tooth / sugar cravings, and for diabetics, I think it should stay off the menu.

 

For me, I like to have honey between back-to-back hard training sessions (on a homemade paleo grain-free muesli) or in my kefir. Sometimes even in my bulletproof coffee or fat shake.

 

I'm not a diabetic, not hugely carb intolerant, and not strict LCHF (I'm more of a paleo type person). So I should be able to eat more than I do.

 

But my big problem is that I've got a major sweet tooth so I've got to watch myself like a hawk. The carb monster is always there in the background and I could fall off the wagon (again) at any time. So for me, honey only very occasionally.

 

Others might thrive on more. But that's for them.