Gatfol for false advertisement

[sampie]

I understand. I use to build my own lights and sell them back in the good DIY days before the lights became so cheap. Talking about, i wonder happen to Brighter Lights. I still do my own lights, but selling are not a option since just the driver board from Taskled cost the same price as a complete set one can order these days.

[Plentipotential]

Your frustration is justified,.............. however.

 

It's not about what you think the consumer deserves, nor about what you think he/she should have, rather it's about what the customer wants.

 

An example. I need a light to work on the last hour, max 2 hours of a mid winter ride, winter lasts a max 4 months of the year. The R700.00 1200 as advertised light will work perfectly and it's no big deal to charge it after every 2nd ride so I buy that light rather than the better more legit 1200 light and battery for twice the price. Why? Because in 2 years time both brands will be well outdated and a light twice as good, twice as bright will be available for about the same price. And the old light? That's in the bin or collecting dust wasting space in the bottom of a box along with the old ipad/phone and all the rest of those overpriced electronic gadgets we just could not live without.

 

Your challenge? make me believe I need your better light, don't try and make me believe I need a more expensive light.

 

Sorry to pee on your battery

Edited August 2, 2013 by Plentipotential

[brad890]

I think the issue is that most sellers, don't have the equipment to test things such as lumen and mAh. Them just like the end buyers, Buy the items from suppliers that claim the values advertised.

 

I mean think of a big company like CRC, how many different products do they buy from how many different suppliers, imagine them trying to double check lumens, mAh, claimed **** sizes, component weights etc of every single item they sell?

 

edit: I myself try test all the items I stock before selling to others whether its on my own bike or friends, but if I were to stock front bicycle lights tomorrow, I wouldn't know where to start with regards to testing lumen output or mAh

Edited August 2, 2013 by brad890

[sampie]

People sell lights according to manufacture claims. They sell a light, say they claim a 1000 lum, according to the data sheet the LED can handle the 1000 lum but at 2 amp, now they use a driver board of only 1 amp to get longer battery life but still sell it as a 1000 lum.

[Weight Weenie]

Then you need to work more at educating the market no?

[Wyatt Earp]

That's why I use this puppy, no BS from them.

 

 

http://www.wigglestatic.com/images/exposure-maxxd-mk4-zoom.jpg

[GoLefty!!]

A pal and myself imported Nightlightning. Those lights were tested to the claimed lumen output. Other vendors complained on pen forums that the output was impossible because teir cheap China imports could'nt match the iBlaast.

 

Now the China importers are complaining about other vendors doing the same thing. Love how this wheel turns....

[Shebeen]

Sounds exactly like the old hifi corp PMPO vs RMS sales pitch.

 

Any dog and his uncle can bring a system in and slap a name on it these days. We are spoilt for choice these days..the chancers get found out and the cream will rise to the top. I also use to make my own with downlights and pvc plumbing tubes. that was because it was either R200 and my time or R3000 for a pro system.

 

I think magiclight have shown how to win the bang for buck game, if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by.

[ManiaC100]

Ok. SO I don't know anything about lights but want to buy a decent one which I can ultimately use at 24hour races but not going to go crazy buying the 'best' light money can buy. I just want a decent product and yes I am trusting so if advertisers lie to me I'll probably believe them. What must I buy?

GO!

I can vouch that all products from extremelights are great, cheap, good quality, value for money...go to their website.

 

www.extremelights.co.za

[Hairy]

Your frustration is justified,.............. however.

 

It's not about what you think the consumer deserves, nor about what you think he/she should have, rather it's about what the customer wants.

 

An example. I need a light to work on the last hour, max 2 hours of a mid winter ride, winter lasts a max 4 months of the year. The R700.00 1200 as advertised light will work perfectly and it's no big deal to charge it after every 2nd ride so I buy that light rather than the better more legit 1200 light and battery for twice the price. Why? Because in 2 years time both brands will be well outdated and a light twice as good, twice as bright will be available for about the same price. And the old light? That's in the bin or collecting dust wasting space in the bottom of a box along with the old ipad/phone and all the rest of those overpriced electronic gadgets we just could not live without.

 

Your challenge? make me believe I need your better light, don't try and make me believe I need a more expensive light.

 

Sorry to pee on your battery

 

But it is unethical if you are not delivering what you are stating and you are then coming in at a far lower price on an inferior product vs a legitimate product that delivers on what the packaging says and is more expensive due the components being of good quality .... how are the good guys meant to stay in business then?

 

A pal and myself imported Nightlightning. Those lights were tested to the claimed lumen output. Other vendors complained on pen forums that the output was impossible because teir cheap China imports could'nt match the iBlaast.

 

Now the China importers are complaining about other vendors doing the same thing. Love how this wheel turns....

Those lights of yours are really good examples of good quality lighting!

[Thug]

So what you are saying is that the lumen output of the lights advertised on your site are all 100% accurate?

[pastapouch]

Sounds exactly like the old hifi corp PMPO vs RMS sales pitch.

 

bit off topic...but, to test that you take say a 600w pmpo,...If you put 6 100w globes in series , plug them into the speaker outputs, and put the amp on full blast the globes should shine bright. I doubt that any of those systems will handle it. Edited August 2, 2013 by pastapouch

[Skylark]

Wow!! If I've only got 450 lumens now then I don't see why I would ever need more because it's more than bright enough.

And thats while riding in the pitch black in the bush, might buy another one so that I can have one on the handlebar and one on my helmet for the tight switchbacks.

 

That's the fact - 450 honest led lumens output mounted correctly in a nice reflector and with a good regulator circuit at the backend is probably more than anyone will ever need in almost any situation.

 

Just a point though, the darker it is the brighter the light appears relative to your surrounds - you actually need a brighter light in more well lit areas where your light is competing with car headlamps, streetlamps etc , so to get the same acuity(ability to discern detail) that you would get using your light in the pitch dark when in better lit areas you would need a significantly brighter light.

[Skylark]

So what you are saying is that the lumen output of the lights advertised on your site are all 100% accurate?

 

Yip thats what I want to know, looks like a bit of a marketing scheeem this thread.

More like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

This overblown lumens thing is an industry arms race, happens in so many different industries, once the marketing hype ups the ante it just becomes ludicrous oneupmanship between the competitors , you either separate your product by its awesome quality and actual usefulness or carry on in the selling of big meaningless lumens numbers game.

[DoubleDee]

I bought a cheap light off eBay (R420) and after 4 months the driver blew, 18 months down the line the circuit on the battery shorted out! Thanks to Hannes at Extreme lights it is repaired and upgraded and now working perfectly!

[Danger Dassie]

Lumen counts are very much like megapixels on cameras, a marketing sell point. With the premise being "more is better"

Even using an integrated light sphere isn't 100% because it's as controlled as it gets. However how often are we riding in a controlled environment?

 

Best is to use it as a relative yard stick, like licking your finger to check wind direction.