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im no fan of BS and was a big fan of DI, lets be honest she has a point in her tweets, it doesn't matter how any banned got into your body, from saids side all that should be important is wheather there is banned substances or not in an athletes body, I don't buy DI pharmacist storey at all. now anyone can take the fall for an athlete.

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im no fan of BS and was a big fan of DI, lets be honest she has a point in her tweets, it doesn't matter how any banned got into your body, from saids side all that should be important is wheather there is banned substances or not in an athletes body, I don't buy DI pharmacist storey at all. now anyone can take the fall for an athlete.

I am actually referring to the "going rate" tweet....classic one that. Will be deleted shortly no doubt

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SAIDS definitely need to look at their time frames as they are definitely a big negative on any sports person, they do a good job but need to be more pro active in assistance etc .. as well . Also the notification of initial finding should it be published immediately, the damage is unrecoverable, its a bit like being convicted before your trial has started. As with many of these possible contamination issues should they not look for a second use case before suspending on quantities below enhancement level, once you know what you are looking for it is far easier to find again and if a cheating athlete thinks he has got away without being detected he will use the same method again and again as it is in his or her mind safe, a second use is basically fool proof cheating and the suspension and announcements are basically a formality. As said in the BS thread maybe we are being a bit overzelous in policing some substances too quickly and notifiying actual cheats too soon allowing for escape etc.. instead of nailing the actual culprits with a bit more patience.

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I am actually referring to the "going rate" tweet....classic one that. Will be deleted shortly no doubt

ja I reckon she went too far with that tweet particular one however still valid argument in her other tweets, whoever tests positive can now just provide proof that they did not intentionally take the banned drug knowingly and get off, this logic would have cleared contador if he was tried in south Africa, the athlete is no lonmger responsible for what enters his body, BS could get the receptionist at his doctor to say that she was carrying some testosterone intended for another patient when she accidently slipped and spilt some in BS coffee, would that have cleared him, this example is exaggerated but im trying to get my point across and this story wouldn't have been any less or more believable than the pharmacist story.

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Yes, you have a valid point. But I still think a 6 month long drawn out process is not good for anyone, not the cyclist or the sport.

 

Agreed. In a perfect world these would be finished quickly, but rather have six months and the right result, than a rush job and someone losing their career to a bad decision.

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Agreed. In a perfect world these would be finished quickly, but rather have six months and the right result, than a rush job and someone losing their career to a bad decision.

in this case it takes 6 months and they still get it wrong (apparently).

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Not really double standards.

 

DI - accidentally and unknowingly injested a trace amount of non-performance enhancing substance due to the neglince of a pharmacist.

 

BS - intentionally and in full knowledgle took performance enhancing testorone while competing without an exemption ...

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in this case it takes 6 months and they still get it wrong (apparently).

 

No, SAIDS didn't get it wrong. They tested and found a banned substance in his system (not disputed by Impey).

 

Its then up to the athlete to disprove or present a defence, which took six months. Sure, it possibly could have taken quicker, but so be it...

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ja I reckon she went too far with that tweet particular one however still valid argument in her other tweets, whoever tests positive can now just provide proof that they did not intentionally take the banned drug knowingly and get off, this logic would have cleared contador if he was tried in south Africa, the athlete is no lonmger responsible for what enters his body, BS could get the receptionist at his doctor to say that she was carrying some testosterone intended for another patient when she accidently slipped and spilt some in BS coffee, would that have cleared him, this example is exaggerated but im trying to get my point across and this story wouldn't have been any less or more believable than the pharmacist story.

 

You see, this is where you are being narrow minded. In the article (if I'm correct, otherwise I apologize) it was stated that the validity of his claims were tested. So they had proof that, with the receipt before his own, that the contaminant was handled before his capsules were and they (Impey and crew) probably spent the other six weeks to prove that enough of the contaminant could be cross contaminated. This means that he can get "off" with reasonable doubt, because he had enough proof.

 

The other examples you mention has no way of proving the contaminants. Hearsay of a nurse spilling some in your coffee will never stand in a court of law.

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in this case it takes 6 months and they still get it wrong (apparently).

 

No, SAIDS got it right, they did get traces of the masking agent, its not on them to prove how it got there.

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