dave303e Posted October 1, 2019 Share Thanks, I read it the you felt it was disgusting the athletes were snitching. Which from the above doesn't seem to be the case. It seems that most often it is coach assisted or encouraged. Although athletes that are prepared to go that way will gravitate to certain coaches/managers/teams. It's often common knowledge when you are at that level, as to who to go to get the good stuff. You didn't need to be at an elite level to know that Salazar may have been able to assist your performance though. None of Salazars athletes publicly tested positive, showing the sophistication of the program. So the only way it was going to become public, was by those people in the program that are honest speaking out. Apologies I could have put it more eloquently. I have no issues with athletes lifting the lid on programs, I have issues when it seems like the coaches are the supply line and it is driven from their side not the athletes. Always think some poor mom let a coach coach their child to be the best they can be, what a sad day it would be if that trusted person put health and reputations at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted October 1, 2019 Share Apologies I could have put it more eloquently. I have no issues with athletes lifting the lid on programs, I have issues when it seems like the coaches are the supply line and it is driven from their side not the athletes. Always think some poor mom let a coach coach their child to be the best they can be, what a sad day it would be if that trusted person put health and reputations at risk. We all have to make our own choice. (regarding cheating) The part that really gets me is the slow & systematic indoctrination that often is exerted by the coach on young or struggling athletes which gets them to the point where they are not making the choice anymore. The coach is put on a pedestal and their word is to be obeyed at any cost. It's a form of grooming often, and in teams it becomes the culture. Edited October 1, 2019 by Edgar Ferret69, ScottCM, Hacc and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amac Posted October 1, 2019 Share The headline seems to be very unfair. I read a summary of the judgment. He has been banned because he told athletes not to declare a substance ( L-Carnitine ) , which they injected. He thought the injections were illegal. They were not and the substance is not banned. He rubbed testosterone powder onto his children. And an assistant coach took more than the recommended dose of L Carnitine. There is no evidence he doped any athlete.Perhaps reading the full judgment will shed more light on his wrongdoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted October 1, 2019 Share Is this the same Salazar that won Comrades moons ago?1994 IceCreamMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted October 2, 2019 Share The headline seems to be very unfair. I read a summary of the judgment. He has been banned because he told athletes not to declare a substance ( L-Carnitine ) , which they injected. He thought the injections were illegal. They were not and the substance is not banned. He rubbed testosterone powder onto his children. And an assistant coach took more than the recommended dose of L Carnitine. There is no evidence he doped any athlete.Perhaps reading the full judgment will shed more light on his wrongdoing. I am slowly starting to understand why so many people failed ethics at university, heaven knows what the failure would be like as a school subject... Edited October 2, 2019 by dave303e IceCreamMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted October 2, 2019 Share Who else has experienced the loss of pace after a proper ultra? Trying to find that flat out pace again is like pulling teeth, TT time every Tuesday is dropping, but slowly and nowhere near where it should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCreamMan Posted October 2, 2019 Share 1994 Thanks for that, still remember being rooted on the couch watch this. Time flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rad Posted October 2, 2019 Share Andrew Steer and tjommies3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackes Posted October 2, 2019 Share Eish, some heat there between Rowan James and Gift/Coach Hamlett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted October 2, 2019 Share The special 90th medal was shite.... Hope it's better than that rubbish 3800 for foreign entries... That's steep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABUBI Posted October 2, 2019 Share Question relating to trail shoes. I switched from new balance to Hoka's. I now roll an ankle in almost every race, and I am now starting to think it might be the shoes fault. Anyone had similar experience? Maybe a lower heel to toe drop shoe will be more stable? Edited October 2, 2019 by RABUBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usxorf Posted October 2, 2019 Share Who else has experienced the loss of pace after a proper ultra? Trying to find that flat out pace again is like pulling teeth, TT time every Tuesday is dropping, but slowly and nowhere near where it should be [emoji107]You might be in the hole of overreaching, and just need a few weeks to get out of it. Plus training and running an ultra is a very big hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_ Posted October 2, 2019 Share Question relating to trail shoes. I switched from new balance to Hoka's. I now roll an ankle in almost every race, and I am now starting to think it might be the shoes fault. Anyone had similar experience? My wife went from traditional 'stability' shoes to Speedgoats and because you sit so low down in the shoe it hasn't been an issue for her. (if the stability thing is related to you somehow...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rad Posted October 2, 2019 Share The special 90th medal was shite.... Hope it's better than that rubbish3800 for foreign entries... That's steepCompared to the entry price for South Africans I suppose it's quite a difference. It's about $250 which is close to or cheaper than other big city marathon foreign entry fees. New York is $358 for non-US runners. Plus you get up to 12 hours of value at Comrades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b-rad Posted October 2, 2019 Share Who else has experienced the loss of pace after a proper ultra? Trying to find that flat out pace again is like pulling teeth, TT time every Tuesday is dropping, but slowly and nowhere near where it should be How long was the ultra? How much time off did you have afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Stuart Posted October 3, 2019 Share And while we're on the topic of doping, the SAIDS Annual Report: https://www.drugfreesport.org.za/1-584-athletes-tested-during-2018-19-saids-annual-report-published/ 16 rugby players caught, including 6 schoolboys And then Mamorallo Tjoka cheating Dominika Stelmach of a 2Oceans podium, and René Kalmer of a gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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