Barry Stuart Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Thanks all for the comments. I'm coming off 5mm Hokas so I reckon a fair bit of the work has already been done. I will however be building up slowly again, The last 3 weeks have been super chilled so my lungs won't let me build up any faster anyway... The zero drop is because I'm desperate to try Altra's on trail. Mainly for the awesome shape, but I'm also a real sucker for a sexy write up and some shoe 'science'. Also mom-in-law is visiting from the States so I can get some well priced stuff over. Echoed my thoughts. The only reason I'd feel compelled to move to a zero drop is Altras. Last time I checked, their midsole material was the only one that measured more responsive than the Adidas Boost.
Barry Stuart Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I know I'm not going to enjoy any of the answers to this but… what is the simplest way of measuring one's max HR? Lots of conflicting answers on the internet. I know there's the rough formula but I'm more interested in a (dreaded) real world test.
SeaBee Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Firstly, no formula will be spot-on. HR is very individual. Secondly, it sounds as if you already know the answer. Go for a test or test yourself. And if you're looking for a "good enough" answer, check max HR on a race with a lekker hill in you that you know you've nailed. That won't be max, because deep-down you know you still have some way to go in your race, but at least it'll be a good indication. Without having the necessity for a bucket. Edit: Why so worried about HR max? A lot of programs work off either LT or pace...(?) Edited October 10, 2018 by SeaBee Barry Stuart 1
Andrew Steer Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I know I'm not going to enjoy any of the answers to this but… what is the simplest way of measuring one's max HR? Lots of conflicting answers on the internet. I know there's the rough formula but I'm more interested in a (dreaded) real world test.Sprint up Northcliff hill... when you think you're going to pass out and puke, just crank it up a little more, and even then again after if you can. Should get you up pretty close to your max This is obviously incredibly scientific Barry Stuart and Hacc 2
dave303e Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Sprint up Northcliff hill... when you think you're going to pass out and puke, just crank it up a little more, and even then again after if you can. Should get you up pretty close to your max This is obviously incredibly scientific If you do end up passed out/ throwing up next to the road you have a very accurate reading...Alternatively you can try do it on a treadmill but the only disclaimer there is to let us know where and when for entertainment purposes... Barry Stuart and Andrew Steer 2
V12man Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I know I'm not going to enjoy any of the answers to this but… what is the simplest way of measuring one's max HR? Lots of conflicting answers on the internet. I know there's the rough formula but I'm more interested in a (dreaded) real world test.Use a heart rate monitor belt..... and run like f.... Craai, Barry Stuart and Odinson 3
Barry Stuart Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Use a heart rate monitor belt..... and run like f.... If you do end up passed out/ throwing up next to the road you have a very accurate reading...Alternatively you can try do it on a treadmill but the only disclaimer there is to let us know where and when for entertainment purposes... If you do end up passed out/ throwing up next to the road you have a very accurate reading...Alternatively you can try do it on a treadmill but the only disclaimer there is to let us know where and when for entertainment purposes... Sprint up Northcliff hill... when you think you're going to pass out and puke, just crank it up a little more, and even then again after if you can. Should get you up pretty close to your max This is obviously incredibly scientific Firstly, no formula will be spot-on. HR is very individual. Secondly, it sounds as if you already know the answer. Go for a test or test yourself. And if you're looking for a "good enough" answer, check max HR on a race with a lekker hill in you that you know you've nailed. That won't be max, because deep-down you know you still have some way to go in your race, but at least it'll be a good indication. Without having the necessity for a bucket. Edit: Why so worried about HR max? A lot of programs work off either LT or pace...(?) Okay, so it's pretty rudimentary. Just find a hill and hurt yourself? I was wondering if there was any special routine to it, like repeats, etc. Just couldn't find anything clear on the internet. SeaBee, I'm not too worried about it as I don't train to HR. What I'm trying to do is calculating calorie burning and necessary intake for Skyrun, given the limitations of what can be digested at different efforts. To do that, I'm trying to calculate what my average percentage of Max HR will be over the race. It's not something I would ordinarily care about as I tend to run on feel but I know that in-race nutrition is a massive flaw of mine so I'm keen to experiment with it on this particular race. Andrew Steer 1
Andrew Steer Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 If you do end up passed out/ throwing up next to the road you have a very accurate reading...Alternatively you can try do it on a treadmill but the only disclaimer there is to let us know where and when for entertainment purposes... Hahaha... I can only imagine how this ends. I've done some speed sessions on my treadmill, the moment I head over 15/16kmph I start feeling very unsure of myself and controlling my positioning becomes a bit more challenging. Can only imagine how ropey it might get going up towards 20kmph on an incline and being close to blacking out at the same time... I'll come film it Barry Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and Barry Stuart 2
V12man Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Okay, so it's pretty rudimentary. Just find a hill and hurt yourself? I was wondering if there was any special routine to it, like repeats, etc. Just couldn't find anything clear on the internet. SeaBee, I'm not too worried about it as I don't train to HR. What I'm trying to do is calculating calorie burning and necessary intake for Skyrun, given the limitations of what can be digested at different efforts. To do that, I'm trying to calculate what my average percentage of Max HR will be over the race. It's not something I would ordinarily care about as I tend to run on feel but I know that in-race nutrition is a massive flaw of mine so I'm keen to experiment with it on this particular race.Just eat.... There is a limit to fluid emptying rates and carbohydrate uptake rates - just go for an intake of about 1g carbohydrate per kg per hour - if you take much more than that you are risking an upset stomach - and that doesn't end well.... You will also need to decide on if you plan to drink all the carbs, or follow a mixed eating and drinking strategy, and experiment with the exact products you are thinking to use to make sure they don't cause sh..t with your stomach - there is no substitute for testing of this in real world conditions. Properly fueled, you will be able to run harder after around 2 hours than if you are poorly fueled. (and this includes hydration) SeaBee, DJuice, Barry Stuart and 2 others 5
Barry Stuart Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) Just eat.... There is a limit to fluid emptying rates and carbohydrate uptake rates - just go for an intake of about 1g carbohydrate per kg per hour - if you take much more than that you are risking an upset stomach - and that doesn't end well.... You will also need to decide on if you plan to drink all the carbs, or follow a mixed eating and drinking strategy, and experiment with the exact products you are thinking to use to make sure they don't cause sh..t with your stomach - there is no substitute for testing of this in real world conditions. Properly fueled, you will be able to run harder after around 2 hours than if you are poorly fueled. (and this includes hydration) Definitely going to mix my carbs. I understand the calorie uptake rate varies from about 250 to 300 per hour depending on exertion so I'm trying to find a good balance between effort, food and just finishing the damn race. Thanks for the 1g/kg/hour formula. Edited October 11, 2018 by Barry Stuart Andrew Steer 1
Mudsimus Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 I know I'm not going to enjoy any of the answers to this but… what is the simplest way of measuring one's max HR? Lots of conflicting answers on the internet. I know there's the rough formula but I'm more interested in a (dreaded) real world test.Any formula you find on the net is hogwash. The only way to find out is on the road. The most accurate I could get was on a 5k run. If you dont pass out or puke at the end you didn't go hard enough. Barry Stuart 1
Frosty Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 Last minute call to all (trail) runners... online entries for the 2018 Carnival City Macsteel Trail Run have been extended to 15 October. https://www.entryninja.com/events/event/36082-carnival-city-macsteel-run ScottCM 1
Khronis Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 Last minute call to all (trail) runners... online entries for the 2018 Carnival City Macsteel Trail Run have been extended to 15 October. https://www.entryninja.com/events/event/36082-carnival-city-macsteel-run Can you enter on the day?
Jewbacca Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 I must say there is no harm in running in a few different pairs of shoes with varying drop, I do it as well. At one stage I had Brooks TR7's with 12mm drop and trail shoes with 3mm drop running both pairs atleast once a week and it was not an issue. I am weary now of going to extreme with anything so am happy now between 4 and 8mm...For trail I use Altra's. Zero drop but a decent stack. Those and sandals..... On the road I have a Pair of Mizuno something something in lumo yellow with a 10mm drop. I love them. I burn through a pair of trail shoes pretty quickly so generally have 3 on the go at the same time. If I do 50 to 100km a week on average, the Lone Peak 3.5's lasted me a while if I alternated them daily. Breaking in some 4's now so all 3 pairs will be fresh and lovely for Reunion. My road shoes get used about 10 times a year.... a few training runs, a couple of marathons and Two Oceans. That's enough!
Lexx Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 Any big changes for next years race? I heard its going to be mat to mat?Already getting FOMO just thinking about it...
Chris_ Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 For trail I use Altra's. Zero drop but a decent stack. Those and sandals..... On the road I have a Pair of Mizuno something something in lumo yellow with a 10mm drop. I love them. I burn through a pair of trail shoes pretty quickly so generally have 3 on the go at the same time. If I do 50 to 100km a week on average, the Lone Peak 3.5's lasted me a while if I alternated them daily. Breaking in some 4's now so all 3 pairs will be fresh and lovely for Reunion. My road shoes get used about 10 times a year.... a few training runs, a couple of marathons and Two Oceans. That's enough! Reunion 100? DYING to do that one. looks so awesome. If karkloof wasn't so well organised I may do that as my first 100 miler. Jewbacca 1
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