Motorcyclist and cyclist killed in collision on Tokai Rd M3 on-ramp

[Red Zone]

I almost collided with two cyclists in quick succession this morning while finishing up my ride. Both heading against oncoming traffic without lights. I was flying with a tail wind and was not expecting these two chaps to be  there, would have been a 50 to 60 km/h impact.

 

If I was a motorbiker could have been far worse. How well can you see out of a motorbike helmet with the visor down in pitch darkness? I have no idea but can imagine that the vis is not great.

 

Cyclists without lights and riding on freeways or against traffic are a major problem

[Niner]

I disagree that speed was an issue.  The speed limit there is 100km/h.  If the biker hit the cyclist at 100km/h (legal speed) the cyclist would almost certainly be killed on impact.  The biker may just have fallen badly.  But I would say that the incident probably would not have happened if the cyclist was not on the freeway.  There are two alternative routes - past the prison or through Kirstenhof.  Going through Kirstenhof would add maybe 1.5km to the trip but more importantly be completely legal and safe for everybody.

As soon as someone sees a motorbike accident they automatically jump to speed as being the main cause.  As a biker this really grates me.  It's the same way that cyclists all get grouped the same when there's an incident.  Take each case on it's individual merits and don't speculate wildly.

 

RIP to both.

So 100km/h would break the bicycle in pieces like that?

[NixM]

The portion is an on-ramp speed limit is 60km/hr only 100km/h about 300m further on

 

Edit: sorry I am lying - that's for the south on ramp

[dirtrider]

So 100km/h would break the bicycle in pieces like that?

 

No 60km/h would .

[Niner]

No 60km/h would .

Nonsense

[Capricorn]

Nonsense

you know this how?

[Headshot]

A possibility is that the cyclist was already on the M3 and crossed the on ramp entrance as the bike was entering the high way from the same on ramp. The M3 is a dual carriageway but not a national road and the speed limit is 100 km/h.

 

Anyone know the time of the accident  - it could well have been during daylight. That said far too many people cycle and drive cars without lights on even after sunset or early in the morning and are incredibly hard to see at times.

 

Very sad accident on such a beaut day in CT.

[dirtypot]

Nonsense

 

Tell you what - ask a friend to drive you in the back of his bakkie.  At whatever speed you want, throw your bike out into a solid object, for example a bridge.  Examine evidence.  Report back.

 

A motorcycle is a 200kg solid projectile.  A spindly framed bicycle is no match for it.

[Niner]

you know this how?

Logic, and from seeing many crashes. A friend of mine got hit from behind by a car at 60km PLUS and the bike did not look like that and it was Carbon. That is steel

[dirtypot]

How well can you see out of a motorbike helmet with the visor down in pitch darkness? I have no idea but can imagine that the vis is not great.

 

In the dark with a clean clear visor it's the same as you sitting in your car looking through the windscreen.  Better in fact because you have 180 degree vision and don't have the A-pillars getting in the way.

 

A tinted visor is just like wearing sunglasses - it helps you to see better and with less glare in the daylight.

[dirtrider]

Logic, and from seeing many crashes. A friend of mine got hit from behind by a car at 60km PLUS and the bike did not look like that and it was Carbon. That is steel

[LazyTrailRider]

Nonsense

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW7NYb8XE_w

[Capricorn]

Logic, and from seeing many crashes. A friend of mine got hit from behind by a car at 60km PLUS and the bike did not look like that and it was Carbon. That is steel

That's a very poor argument, devoid of logic.You made the horrible assumption what happened to your 'friend' is the standard outcome for all vehicular incidents. That's the real nonsense here.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Logic, and from seeing many crashes. A friend of mine got hit from behind by a car at 60km PLUS and the bike did not look like that and it was Carbon. That is steel

Logic fail.

 

It relies on the type of impact it is as well as the angle of approach, impact, impact velocity and how the bicycle & motorbike interact in the crash itself. 

 

If it's a glancing impact, no damage to bicycle, or minimal damage. If it's a t-bone or the moto rides over the bicycle, different story entirely. Especially at 60kph. 

[ewep]

Logic, and from seeing many crashes. A friend of mine got hit from behind by a car at 60km PLUS and the bike did not look like that and it was Carbon. That is steel

He was lucky, period! Can I pass you a few numbers to call to confirm this?

 

It is also not about the speed you fall at, it is the speed at which you are forced to a stop! At 60 you will die, same at 80. As someone said, every accident is different. The biker was wrong, but what was the bicycle doing there!!!???

[NixM]

A possibility is that the cyclist was already on the M3 and crossed the on ramp entrance as the bike was entering the high way from the same on ramp. The M3 is a dual carriageway but not a national road and the speed limit is 100 km/h.

 

Anyone know the time of the accident  - it could well have been during daylight. That said far too many people cycle and drive cars without lights on even after sunset or early in the morning and are incredibly hard to see at times.

 

Very sad accident on such a beaut day in CT.

I went passed about 8:45, paramedics had left but about 4 cop cars still there, I would guess it happened in daylight.

 

The motorbike could also have crossed from the M3 into the on ramp as that stretch becomes a triple carriage way and is also the off ramp to get to Tokai.

 

We will never know but 2 families lives have changed forever.