Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Oldcoot is actually a hell of a good guy and a personal mate of mine - possibly was a bit naive about doping (not any more), but exceptionally loyal to his athletes who committed to being clean (and if they were not clean then they definately lied to him) - I have no doubt he will do what he needs to do to move this forward appropriately - he IS one of the good guys. This Kevin thing must hurt him probably more than most... they go way back and he's pretty much been Kevins personal bike sponsor his whole career. I don't though understand why he is still defending him, he is more than smart enough to join the dots. It's Kevin that has dropped the ball, Kevin that is cheapening his whole career, all his results, all his sponsors by walking away and not contesting any of this. rouxtjie, Jules, V12man and 1 other 4
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 The answer to your questions based on the facts: No, no, yes. The answer to your questions based on speculation: Yes. So then basically, a lot of the accusations now being thrown about are really just speculation ...again? Does it change the view if one suggests KE knowingly raced without a TUE, to fulfill sponsorship obligations Is there a distinction between racing without a TUE to just appear in the event vs, hiding PED use with the objective to win? mazambaan 1
jcza Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 How can someone involved in the cycling industry, especially working with professional athletes, claim to be naive about doping? andydude and intern 2
Patchelicious Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Oldcoot is actually a hell of a good guy and a personal mate of mine - possibly was a bit naive about doping (not any more), but exceptionally loyal to his athletes who committed to being clean (and if they were not clean then they definately lied to him) - I have no doubt he will do what he needs to do to move this forward appropriately - he IS one of the good guys.Perhaps have a chat with him and tell him, that if he comes out condemning doping and these dopes, he would be supported, but if he keeps comining out swinging its a lose lose. But I suspect that he is too proud to do that? Hope that I am wrong. Jules, Thor Buttox, intern and 1 other 4
V12man Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 that is good to hear, I would be proper de moer in with the situation if I was him. No doubt he is... I would also be apoplectic. Fortunately I don't do twitter - think is a good medium for missing a few points... Danger Dassie and Tumbleweed 2
eddy Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 That's not actually the truth either... Zabel was tested way more as an example (also never tested positive) but yeah, if things are given enough PR they become the truth I thought that I had my sarcasm font on. Apologies
BarHugger Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 So then basically, a lot of the accusations now being thrown about are really just speculation ...again? Does it change the view if one suggests KE knowingly raced without a TUE, to fulfill sponsorship obligations Was that really his reason ?
V12man Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 How can someone involved in the cycling industry, especially working with professional athletes, claim to be naive about doping? He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats) Tumbleweed 1
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I thought that I had my sarcasm font on. Apologies I hope you know I know you know... #nofontrequired Was just adding to the noise Tumbleweed and eddy 2
HairyLegs Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats) Only after the money then? Edited January 25, 2016 by Wired
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats) So surely you distance yourself from it all?? He's fighting the wrong corner... Patchelicious 1
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Was that really his reason ? You would need to ask him if that's the real reason but I heard that that is why he raced without the TUE.I'm merely placing other views on the table
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Only after the money then? He sold Raleigh's pal... what do you think HairyLegs 1
BarHugger Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats)Put it in the book
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 So surely you distance yourself from it all?? He's fighting the wrong corner... why is this the only course of action? Are there no alternative paths?
BarHugger Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 You would need to ask him if that's the real reason but I heard that that is why he raced without the TUE.I'm merely placing other views on the table My guess is that it was not to fulfil sponsor obligations...if one has a conscience and scruples you would tell the sponsor straight out "sorry I can't do this" I think he did it to try and build on what he saw as a successful brand...the Evan's brand....
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