Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Share Oldcoot is actually a hell of a good guy and a personal mate of mine - possibly was a bit naive about doping (not any more), but exceptionally loyal to his athletes who committed to being clean (and if they were not clean then they definately lied to him) - I have no doubt he will do what he needs to do to move this forward appropriately - he IS one of the good guys. This Kevin thing must hurt him probably more than most... they go way back and he's pretty much been Kevins personal bike sponsor his whole career. I don't though understand why he is still defending him, he is more than smart enough to join the dots. It's Kevin that has dropped the ball, Kevin that is cheapening his whole career, all his results, all his sponsors by walking away and not contesting any of this. Jules, intern, rouxtjie and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Share The answer to your questions based on the facts: No, no, yes. The answer to your questions based on speculation: Yes. So then basically, a lot of the accusations now being thrown about are really just speculation ...again? Does it change the view if one suggests KE knowingly raced without a TUE, to fulfill sponsorship obligations Is there a distinction between racing without a TUE to just appear in the event vs, hiding PED use with the objective to win? mazambaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted January 25, 2016 Share How can someone involved in the cycling industry, especially working with professional athletes, claim to be naive about doping? andydude and intern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted January 25, 2016 Share Oldcoot is actually a hell of a good guy and a personal mate of mine - possibly was a bit naive about doping (not any more), but exceptionally loyal to his athletes who committed to being clean (and if they were not clean then they definately lied to him) - I have no doubt he will do what he needs to do to move this forward appropriately - he IS one of the good guys.Perhaps have a chat with him and tell him, that if he comes out condemning doping and these dopes, he would be supported, but if he keeps comining out swinging its a lose lose. But I suspect that he is too proud to do that? Hope that I am wrong. andydude, Jules, intern and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12man Posted January 25, 2016 Share that is good to hear, I would be proper de moer in with the situation if I was him. No doubt he is... I would also be apoplectic. Fortunately I don't do twitter - think is a good medium for missing a few points... Danger Dassie and Tumbleweed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted January 25, 2016 Share That's not actually the truth either... Zabel was tested way more as an example (also never tested positive) but yeah, if things are given enough PR they become the truth I thought that I had my sarcasm font on. Apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarHugger Posted January 25, 2016 Share So then basically, a lot of the accusations now being thrown about are really just speculation ...again? Does it change the view if one suggests KE knowingly raced without a TUE, to fulfill sponsorship obligations Was that really his reason ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V12man Posted January 25, 2016 Share How can someone involved in the cycling industry, especially working with professional athletes, claim to be naive about doping? He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats) Tumbleweed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Share I thought that I had my sarcasm font on. Apologies I hope you know I know you know... #nofontrequired Was just adding to the noise eddy and Tumbleweed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairyLegs Posted January 25, 2016 Share He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats) Only after the money then? Edited January 25, 2016 by Wired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Share He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats) So surely you distance yourself from it all?? He's fighting the wrong corner... Patchelicious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Was that really his reason ? You would need to ask him if that's the real reason but I heard that that is why he raced without the TUE.I'm merely placing other views on the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted January 25, 2016 Share Only after the money then? He sold Raleigh's pal... what do you think HairyLegs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarHugger Posted January 25, 2016 Share He is a sales, finance and accounting guy - not a physiologist - and he does not claim to be naive about doping (I just think he used to be and his good name has been besmirched by a bunch of cheats)Put it in the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Share So surely you distance yourself from it all?? He's fighting the wrong corner... why is this the only course of action? Are there no alternative paths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarHugger Posted January 25, 2016 Share You would need to ask him if that's the real reason but I heard that that is why he raced without the TUE.I'm merely placing other views on the table My guess is that it was not to fulfil sponsor obligations...if one has a conscience and scruples you would tell the sponsor straight out "sorry I can't do this" I think he did it to try and build on what he saw as a successful brand...the Evan's brand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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