Headshot Posted October 18, 2016 Share A relatively steep head angle was decided upon to help keep the front wheel planted firmly to the ground and the steering sharp and nimble. This shows the Sonic’s racing character that is crafted into every inch of its tubes. Fekkin' what?!Not concerned about descending are they now. When will bike companies learn - most riders don't need a steep race geo bike, especially at this price point. If they had given this a 68 degree HTA it would have been so much more user friendly. ALLMTB, Thermophage, Riaan H and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted October 18, 2016 Share What do you mean by "race proven"? Do you sell Silverbacks by anychance? A Sesta was once used in a race. Thus, 'race proven'. pellieg, Rick Sanchez, Bizkit031 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 18, 2016 Share A Sesta was once used in a race. Thus, 'race proven'.once more than the Sonic popcorn_skollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoBoshoff Posted October 18, 2016 Share Not concerned about descending are they now. When will bike companies learn - most riders don't need a steep race geo bike, especially at this price point. If they had given this a 68 degree HTA it would have been so much more user friendly.Sure, but that never stopped all those Epics from being sold. Plus, for R13k less than the Epic FSR Comp you get pretty much the same spec bike in the Titan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime Posted October 18, 2016 Share The Anthem X which is widely considered a good all round bike around here has a head angle of 71.5 degrees and 462mm chain stays. 70 degrees on a 100m 29er is hardly a spitting cobra. Hilton., T-Bob and Andrew Steer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted October 18, 2016 Share Sure, but that never stopped all those Epics from being sold. Plus, for R13k less than the Epic FSR Comp you get pretty much the same spec bike in the Titan.It didn't stop sales because people know no better and get sold what the shops and manufacturers throw at them. Throw a poorly skilled person on a steep angled race bike and its a recipe for bottle necks at the races when things get a bit tech, as we see all the time. Thermophage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted October 18, 2016 Share The Anthem X which is widely considered a good all round bike around here has a head angle of 71.5 degrees and 462mm chain stays. 70 degrees on a 100m 29er is hardly a spitting cobra.True, but have a look at what the 2017 Anthem looks like. Its a trail taming beast in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoBoshoff Posted October 18, 2016 Share It didn't stop sales because people know no better and get sold what the shops and manufacturers throw at them. Throw a poorly skilled person on a steep angled race bike and its a recipe for bottle necks at the races when things get a bit tech, as we see all the time. So we agree, they'll sell well. Hairy, Headshot and Patchelicious 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted October 18, 2016 Share A Sesta was once used in a race. Thus, 'race proven'.I am pretty sure that I saw a Titan fly past me in a race once, so therefore its race proven too, and better than a Spez Epic. Andrew Steer, Headshot and EmptyB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted October 18, 2016 Share So we agree, they'll sell well.Sadly, yes! But Viva Giant for the new Anthem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted October 18, 2016 Share So we agree, they'll sell well. Full disclosure: if Odinson of 2013, just getting into MTBing, saw these bikes on the floor of Sportsman's in Fourways, he would've been all over that! On another note, can someone please send a pic of these Titan tyres to Spez' attorneys. They look a mighty lot like the Fast Trak. NicoBoshoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted October 18, 2016 Share Full disclosure: if Odinson of 2013, just getting into MTBing, saw these bikes on the floor of Sportsman's in Fourways, he would've been all over that! On another note, can someone please send a pic of these Titan tyres to Spez' attorneys. They look a mighty lot like the Fast Trak.If thats the case, and these bikes sell, expect lots of broken clavicle threads soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showtime Posted October 18, 2016 Share True, but have a look at what the 2017 Anthem looks like. Its a trail taming beast in comparison. I see in 27.5 form it has almost become the trance of a few years back. But the Anthem X 29er which is their SA marathon bike still has the 71.5. I fully agree with you that the bread and butter bike should be the 120mm trail bike for most riders but the claims on this site about Epics etc being like walking on eggs are greatly exaggerated. Headshot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoBoshoff Posted October 18, 2016 Share Sadly, yes! But Viva Giant for the new Anthem...Ditto the new Spark. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted October 18, 2016 Share Ditto the new Spark.Kudos to the Kona Hei Hei DL's Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, NicoBoshoff, Rick Sanchez and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted October 18, 2016 Share I see in 27.5 form it has almost become the trance of a few years back. But the Anthem X 29er which is their SA marathon bike still has the 71.5. I fully agree with you that the bread and butter bike should be the 120mm trail bike for most riders but the claims on this site about Epics etc being like walking on eggs are greatly exaggerated. I am certainly not dissing the Epic or any other steep angled race bike. They have their place - as fast efficient race bikes for skilled riders. They are a very specific tool, not an everyday mountain bike IMO. I think the skill required to pilot one down a steep rocky track at a decent pace is far greater than required on a slacker 120mm trail bike making them unsuitable for the market they have long been sold into in SA. Overseas they account for far less of MTB sales I imagine, partly because the terrain and lower focus on marathon events. Happily, as we can see, things are changing. Can't believe how long it has taken the industry.... Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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