Brickleberry Posted November 14, 2016 Share Oh god . I can't handle the don't judge rubbish . If she did it knowing , she is a dwiss , if she didn't read a label , as a professional , before a race , then she is a dwiss also . Case closed , lets find the next doper , oh look there's another ....and another , aaaand another . Phatman and Patchelicious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted November 14, 2016 Share Oh god . I can't handle the don't judge rubbish . If she did it knowing , she is a dwiss , if she didn't read a label , as a professional , before a race , then she is a dwiss also . Case closed , lets find the next doper , oh look there's another ....and another , aaaand another .Aaaaand it's none of their faults. What a crap system we have where every single person that has been caught has in fact been innocent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock Posted November 14, 2016 Share "...Cycling South Africa reports that has been found guilty..." huh? EmptyB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyB Posted November 14, 2016 Share "...Cycling South Africa reports that has been found guilty..." huh?....I thought I was going mad too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted November 14, 2016 Share Credibility under a mushroom cloud Whether intended or unintended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted November 14, 2016 Share Think before you guys judge her read what she has to say about it. She went to to pharmacy for Sinustat, they did not have stock. The pharmacist gave her Actifed and said it's almost the same thing.now I know about the online check, it does seem a rather silly error on the athlete's part - SAIDS have really gone out of their way to make it easy to verify. - sinustat green, actifed orange BUTThere's sort of precedent (if not totally similar), but Darryl Impey got off due to a careless pharmacist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtr1 Posted November 14, 2016 Share I'm sorry but there is no excuse for taking a banned substance even if available in every day meds or over the country. The SAIDS app is so easy to use. At the chemist you can use your smart phone, type in the commercial name and it will tell you if banned or not. Should be every athletes responsibility. I race vets competitively and before I buy any meds I check on the app. Just in case. So no excuse for elite athletes.......other than stupidity. In Darryl's case he spent a lot of money doing an investigation and could prove that the pharmacist had handled the banned substance on that equipment prior to filling his capsules. Hence the contamination. Via invoices, scripts and video. Otherwise he would have been banned. Same as others who have been able to prove that a supplement was contaminated. If you can't prove any of that, then you are guilty. Patchelicious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtr1 Posted November 14, 2016 Share now I know about the online check, it does seem a rather silly error on the athlete's part - SAIDS have really gone out of their way to make it easy to verify. - sinustat green, actifed orange BUTThere's sort of precedent (if not totally similar), but Darryl Impey got off due to a careless pharmacist.Intent or negligence is very different to proven innocence or unintentional through contamination. Which still ends to be proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky4130 Posted November 14, 2016 Share "...Cycling South Africa reports that has been found guilty..." huh? ....I thought I was going mad tooI don't get it or has the article been edited yet again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil6 Posted November 15, 2016 Share I'm sorry but there is no excuse for taking a banned substance even if available in every day meds or over the country. The SAIDS app is so easy to use. At the chemist you can use your smart phone, type in the commercial name and it will tell you if banned or not. Should be every athletes responsibility. I race vets competitively and before I buy any meds I check on the app. Just in case. So no excuse for elite athletes.......other than stupidity. In Darryl's case he spent a lot of money doing an investigation and could prove that the pharmacist had handled the banned substance on that equipment prior to filling his capsules. Hence the contamination. Via invoices, scripts and video. Otherwise he would have been banned. Same as others who have been able to prove that a supplement was contaminated. If you can't prove any of that, then you are guilty.I still don't buy into that story. It's the same as Contador's "steak" BS story Andrew Steer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TALUS Posted November 15, 2016 Share I still don't buy into that story. It's the same as Contador's "steak" BS storyI still wonder why the pharmacist wasnt charged with gross negligence. If he contaminates meds and causes a life threatening allergy is professional negligence. Patchelicious and Gen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted November 15, 2016 Share I still wonder why the pharmacist wasnt charged with gross negligence. If he contaminates meds and causes a life threatening allergy is professional negligence.Simple answer? Because he didnt? TALUS, Andrew Steer, Pieter-za and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted November 15, 2016 Share snip* In Darryl's case he spent a lot of money doing an investigation and could prove that the convincing a pharmacist to say that he had handled the banned substance on that equipment prior to filling his capsules. Hence the contamination. snip*Could this be a plausible alternate ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky4130 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Here is a shocker, Beroca Boost is also illegal. Wonder how many people knew thatas someone who sometimes uses Beroca Boost i was a bit worried by your comment that it is illegal. So I went onto SAIDS website to check but couldn't find it. Could it be that it was banned before but no longer? Who is your source? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydude Posted November 18, 2016 Share as someone who sometimes uses Beroca Boost i was a bit worried by your comment that it is illegal. So I went onto SAIDS website to check but couldn't find it. Could it be that it was banned before but no longer? Who is your source? Thanks I would also like to know more. And not just a friend told me. I want to see where it's written. This example kind of shows how difficult it is to search for things. See in the pictures two interesting points. In the first one they talk about searches, but nothing after. The second one is more interesting, because it seems it was banned in 2008 at least, because of the possibility of unlisted ingredients. Which begs the question, how can athletes search for unlisted ingredients?! Edited November 18, 2016 by andydude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icycling Posted November 18, 2016 Share Hubber before you just "throw a fellow cyclist under the bus" for a doping offense of this nature - as some hubber are now finding out its not that easy to know what is or is not legal and yet can be bought at PnP. Apparently sponsors are again pulling out the sport. Wannabe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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