PPA: Please obey the rules of the road

[Icycling]

Sorry for posting this pic again.

 

But why do PPA put boards up - ditching their own sport people on Chapmans Peak drive - this is one road due to the speed limit, solid white line and the fact that most people are looking at the scenery, that cyclist should and I would go as far as to say, be encouraged to ride 2 or more  abreast and not single? Enough cyclist are breaking the speed limit any way.

 

How about PPA lobbing for Chapmans Peak dive to be closed to motorized vehicles on weekend from sunrise to 09h00 from Sep to June each year.

 

[Desi]

The patronising tone perhaps?

 

If I want to be treated like a road user? I AM a road user, I don't have to ask ANYONE if I can ride on their road. I have a well established legal right to be on the road. This is just a totally brain dead comment that shows exactly how little the organisation trying to encourage safe cycling actually understands about the issues.

 

Read the bit I underlined in bold. FFS, don't answer your phone in the middle of the road and leave your bike lying in the middle of the road? I'll give a set of unused Continental Gatorskin 25c tyres to the first person who has experienced this phenomena. Sorry, not GP4000S as it's not a warranty issue.

 

PPA think a road is like a trail and motorists are like dog walkers or horse riders and we are invading their space.

 

Has anyone seen advice to motorists issued by PPA about cycling safety in the past year? Thought not.

 

Safety is not about highlighting cyclists doing things that transgress the law but endangers no one, surely it's about motorists doing things that endanger other road users, particularly cyclists and pedestrians?

Send those tyres, carbon29er. I have seen both of these things mentioned, more than a few times, not only on training rides, but during a PPA race/ride. Perhaps you don't see these things at the sharp end of the field where you ride, but they certainly happen back in the field where I ride. Now, as summer approaches and riders less skilled/smart than you perhaps, get out to train for the Argus, there is actually a need for these type of reminders.

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PPA can lobby for more action be taken against Offenders.

Police are not interested.

Justice system is corrupt.

Ppa are quick to share Awareness, yet no average Joe gives a Toss.

No repercussions.

 

Just Sunday morning 09h08, Lady with kid is late for church.

Jumps a Stop street, arriving at the parking area She parks in a Handicapped bay.

Why stop??? At stop streets?

[Patchelicious]

Stating that motorists must change their behavior and that cyclists are at higher risks is obviously correct. So I support Carbon's very passionate stance on this.

 

Having said that, we must be realistic in what it is we are trying to achieve. We obviously want behavior changes from motorists, so how do we go about achieving that?

 

There are many things that can be done from many angles, and we should tackle them all. Some will have greater effect than others, that's reality.

 

So I understand that the PPA is taking a stance that cyclists must adhere to rules etc, that does go some way in trying rectify driver perception of cyclists.

 

What they should also do is lobby people like the AA to do the same, and get them to drive a similar campaign about educating motorist about the rights of cyclists.

 

We need to change and we need to convince the other side that they need to change. Convincing them will reap greater results than out right demands. People often don't respond well to demands, no matter how valid they might be.

Edited November 15, 2016 by Patchelicious

[carbon29er]

Send those tyres, carbon29er. I have seen both of these things mentioned, more than a few times, not only on training rides, but during a PPA race/ride. Perhaps you don't see these things at the sharp end of the field where you ride, but they certainly happen back in the field where I ride. Now, as summer approaches and riders less skilled/smart than you perhaps, get out to train for the Argus, there is actually a need for these type of reminders.

Races aren't exactly what this article is about. And I'm not skilled, have more metal in me than my bike has. I just don't like cyclists being blamed to justify motorists putting cyclist's health and lives at risk.

[carbon29er]

What they should also do is lobby people like the AA to do the same, and get them to drive a similar campaign about educating motorist about the rights of cyclists.

 

There is NO focus on the motorist. When the Stay Wider campaign was launched the whole focus was on changing the motorists mindset.

 

A few personnel changes later, and the appointment of a CEO, has changed focus completely onto the cyclist SHARING the road, as if it's a walking trail and cyclists are encroaching.

 

Total lack of understanding of the dynamics of cycle safety or marketing.

[seven]

There is NO focus on the motorist. When the Stay Wider campaign was launched the whole focus was on changing the motorists mindset.

 

A few personnel changes later, and the appointment of a CEO, has changed focus completely onto the cyclist SHARING the road, as if it's a walking trail and cyclists are encroaching.

 

Total lack of understanding of the dynamics of cycle safety or marketing.

If there is such a lack of understanding of cycling safety or marketing; why are so many cyclists enjoying this article?

 

As Patch has said - many different angles and approaches needs fo be adopted to change things. This is simply ONE of those.

 

Some of the worst driving I have experienced are by cyclists while on their way to/from races in their cars. It is not a cycling vs cars thing; it is a general problem in our current society where everyone has a sense of entitlement and couldn't give a rats ass about the next person - in all environments. Can you honestly say that you obey the traffic ordinances when diving? No speeding, no dangerous overtaking, etc, etc?

 

I'm sorry you had a bad day out on the bike; but don't bash attempts to try and help things. If you don't like the article, or things that PPA does, then simply don't read them. There are loads of people that did enjoy this read, and find it helpful.

 

This sense of entitlement is even seen with you know trying to flog your side to death; why not simply state what you want, and let others enjoy the freedom to express theirs.

[LeoKnight]

As a cyclist and motorist I really enjoyed the article. Like most things in life you first start with being more aware of your own actions before telling someone else to change their behaviour, my opinion and personal view is that if more motorist perceive that cyclist in general are trying to be responsible on the road there will be an increased likelihood that the future messages and campaigns by the cycling structures will be heard by motorists.

 

It is not a valid argument or mature defence, when motorists say why should they change if cycling structures don't even talk or address their own members. But just because it is not valid does not mean it is the reality.

 

As I mentioned, I enjoyed the article a lot and even became aware of more things that make sense.

[J∆kk∆ls]

Start at schools. Teach the next generation of road users to be respectful of each other. Get speakers to talk about their experiences.

 

Incorporate cycling awareness into k53.

[-Az-]

it is a general problem in our current society where everyone has a sense of entitlement and couldn't give a rats ass about the next person - in all environments.

This..

nothing to do with cyclist/motorcyclist/motorist

Same thing we deal with as the Think Bike campaign

[Patchelicious]

There is NO focus on the motorist. When the Stay Wider campaign was launched the whole focus was on changing the motorists mindset.

 

A few personnel changes later, and the appointment of a CEO, has changed focus completely onto the cyclist SHARING the road, as if it's a walking trail and cyclists are encroaching.

 

Total lack of understanding of the dynamics of cycle safety or marketing.

A motoring body telling motorists how to drive might be more effective than if a Cycling body tries to do it.

 

I don't know them that well, but how do you suggest that we lobby/drive an effective campaign to change motorist behavior?

 

Perhaps a suggestion, you know a lot about this which is evident from the stats you have, your videos and your obvious passion on the topic, why don't you drive it? If your message is a good one, people will support it?

[Sparki 1]

The patronising tone perhaps?

 

If I want to be treated like a road user? I AM a road user, I don't have to ask ANYONE if I can ride on their road. I have a well established legal right to be on the road. This is just a totally brain dead comment that shows exactly how little the organisation trying to encourage safe cycling actually understands about the issues.

 

Read the bit I underlined in bold. FFS, don't answer your phone in the middle of the road and leave your bike lying in the middle of the road? I'll give a set of unused Continental Gatorskin 25c tyres to the first person who has experienced this phenomena. Sorry, not GP4000S as it's not a warranty issue.

 

PPA think a road is like a trail and motorists are like dog walkers or horse riders and we are invading their space.

 

Has anyone seen advice to motorists issued by PPA about cycling safety in the past year? Thought not.

 

Safety is not about highlighting cyclists doing things that transgress the law but endangers no one, surely it's about motorists doing things that endanger other road users, particularly cyclists and pedestrians?

All i want to know is if you sent those unused gators to Desi? you may now continue farting in the wind.

[carbon29er]

If there is such a lack of understanding of cycling safety or marketing; why are so many cyclists enjoying this article?

 

In the same way one enjoys a Mills and Boon novel? As an article furthering cycle safety it loses all credibility when it states BS about treated like a road user.

 

As Patch has said - many different angles and approaches needs fo be adopted to change things. This is simply ONE of those.

 

Some of the worst driving I have experienced are by cyclists while on their way to/from races in their cars. It is not a cycling vs cars thing; it is a general problem in our current society where everyone has a sense of entitlement and couldn't give a rats ass about the next person - in all environments. Can you honestly say that you obey the traffic ordinances when diving? No speeding, no dangerous overtaking, etc, etc?

 

Yes, I can. I have have never endangered another more vulnerable road user because I feel big and important and in a hurry in a big car.

 

I'm sorry you had a bad day out on the bike; but don't bash attempts to try and help things. If you don't like the article, or things that PPA does, then simply don't read them. There are loads of people that did enjoy this read, and find it helpful.

 

This is not the first time you have engaged with a really poor thought out and illogical comment. PPA has a mandate to promote safe cycling. Not a mandate to spew forth stupidity on victim blaming cyclists.  As a matter of record I did not have a bad day on the bike and I don't bash things that attempt to help. This article was not an attempt to help cyclists.

 

This sense of entitlement is even seen with you know trying to flog your side to death; why not simply state what you want, and let others enjoy the freedom to express theirs.

 

Sense of entitlement because I don't accept a cycling organisation should be promoting the notion that cyclists have no right to be on the road? You really don't get how this approach puts back cycle safety, do you?

 

Freedom of expression is supported and welcomed. An organisation issuing a press release in the name of cycle safety and cocking it up is not freedom of expression.

[carbon29er]

All i want to know is if you sent those unused gators to Desi? you may now continue farting in the wind.

As soon as he provides evidence they'll be on the courier van.

[Quagga]

Carbon29 At least PPA got the subject correct. “Please OBEY the rules of the road”  

 

Maybe someone should post an article

 

“Motorist please LEARN the rules of the road”

 

Most cyclist know the road rules, but it seems that most motorist does not or don’t care.

 

How many sit and text while at a traffic light? Then the excuse “but I am not moving”

The same people that will hoot and go bonkers when cyclist ride side by side.

 

If only the same amount was spend teaching motorist the rules of the road as what PPA is spending  asking  the minority road users to adhere to them.

 

Here are a few pictures of my 14km commute yesterday and  this morning. I think PPA is wasting money trying the minority, venerable road user to obey while the rest is doing as they please and hide behind.

 

"BUT CYLCIST SKIPS RED LIGHTS"

 

 “RULES are RULES” 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Icycling]

Carbon29 At least PPA got the subject correct. “Please OBEY the rules of the road”  

 

Maybe someone should post an article

 

“Motorist please LEARN the rules of the road”

 

Most cyclist know the road rules, but it seems that most motorist does not or don’t care.

 

How many sit and text while at a traffic light? Then the excuse “but I am not moving”

The same people that will hoot and go bonkers when cyclist ride side by side.

 

If only the same amount was spend teaching motorist the rules of the road as what PPA is spending  asking  the minority road users to adhere to them.

 

Here are a few pictures of my 14km commute yesterday and  this morning. I think PPA is wasting money trying the minority, venerable road user to obey while the rest is doing as they please and hide behind.

 

"BUT CYLCIST SKIPS RED LIGHTS"

 

 “RULES are RULES” 

 

This is not an excuse for bad cyclist.

 

But Motorist have to do a test by law in order to drive on the roads - cyclist don't and in certain cases maybe well under the age of 17 years of age. Thus the onus is on the motorist to obey the rules to the T when it come to encountering cyclist esp with regards to overtaking cyclist and doing it only when safe to do so. If the cyclists are not obeying the rules this is not an excuse for a motorist with a license to dis-obey the rules.

 

How many people in RSA, when crossing the road, walk to the crossing points and if possible press the button and wait for the green man as apposed to J walking? Does this mean the pedestrian should become target practice? How many motorist have never have J walked in RSA - my guess NONE, but it still is not legal?  Sometimes as a road biker I feel motorist think it's a game of target practice.

 

And as posted before:

 

Here lies the body of Jonathan Gray

Who died defending his right of way.

He was right, dead right, as he sped along

But he's just as dead now

As if he was wrong.

Edited November 16, 2016 by Icycling