Anti-Doping Rule Violation: Tyronne White

[fandacious]

Also, another thing we can do is check the results.

 

The morning that Ty got sick, did he do well?

http://joberg2c.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/JoBerg2C-Final-GC-Results-After-day-9.pdf

['Dale]

I received this from someone who obviously wants to stay anonymous

 

 

Hi, I can't comment on Ty's post for reasons that would be unprofessional but I am in the medical field specifically the pre hospital field. The two corticosteroids which we carry are hydrocortisone and methylprednisolene. We do not carry dexamethasone as there is no need for it in emergency situations. Also, if he was dehydrated and nauseous, he would have been given a Ringers Lactate IV fluid bag which only contains electrolytes and he may have been given either Stemetil or Maxalon for the nausea. None of those contain dexamethasone. One must also remember that those "pros" have a no needle policy. And the onus is on the athlete to monitor what is administered.

Okay ????????

That should clarify a lot of the unknowns

Edited January 1, 2017 by 'Dale

[Paulst12]

Mine too. But i never rode anything longer than the Argus, and I always come 29 546th.

I wonder how the guy/girl who came 29547th feels about that????

   

[Harryn]

I wonder how the guy/girl who came 29547th feels about that????

Lol. He was pissed. I sucked his wheel from the top of suikerbossie, and then I sprinted for the finish. And got a coke before him in the queu. [emoji23]

[Rocket-Boy]

I missed most of this, are we still debating on whether he is guilty or not?

Just wondering if I should be sharpening my pitchfork...

[HappyMartin]

Do I have this right.

 

1. He says the medics gave this to him. The medic said they don't have this stuff in stock at the race and its not what they would have given him anyway for the symptoms he says he displayed.

2. He says he was really severely ill and needed treatment. A health issue.

3. Despite the severity of his illness he managed to come third beating amongst others Calvin Beneke, Darren Lille and Kachelhoffer.

['Kaze Pete]

He doped, he got caught. He denies it all.

Same old story.

Move on I'd say, dopers are not worth all this energy being expended on them post-mortem

 

edit / PS: 

Which of these are true?

• Favourite sons do not commit murder
• Clergy do not commit adultery
• teachers do not commit peadophilia
• Cyclists do not dope

 

nuff said

Edited January 2, 2017 by 'Kaze Pete

[carbon29er]

Agreed.

 

But for the sake of constructive debate.

 

IF Ty went to the race tent on the morning of the last day and asked for help, and the Doc said to him: "Here have this pill X" and he checks Pill X on the WADA list, and it's all good, BUT the Doc makes a mistake and gives him Pill Y, BY ACCIDENT, what then?

 

If the Doc said to me here, "what I'm giving you is Valiods" but he BY MISTAKE gives me something else, I as a rider would have no reason to check the medication. The expert said its X!!

 

I am one of the most vocal HubKnobs when it comes to doping, but, what I'm basically saying is that, if it comes out that the Doc did give Ty the wrong meds(he actually made a mistake in the heat of the moment) would we believe it?

 

Edit: Giving a rider "X" is only good if it's a New Years party

I find this interesting as in my experience of the "minor" stage races the medics have very little leeway to dispense actual drugs. Mostly it's strapping and creams on wounds. When I tried get an anti-inflammatory for a sprained wrist at W2W a few years back it was a no go from the medical tent.

 

In any event a pro is responsible for knowing what he is taking. The shifting of blame only works if you can find a pharmacist who is happy to provide a BS affidavit about a previous customer.

[Patchelicious]

I received this from someone who obviously wants to stay anonymous

 

 

Hi, I can't comment on Ty's post for reasons that would be unprofessional but I am in the medical field specifically the pre hospital field. The two corticosteroids which we carry are hydrocortisone and methylprednisolene. We do not carry dexamethasone as there is no need for it in emergency situations. Also, if he was dehydrated and nauseous, he would have been given a Ringers Lactate IV fluid bag which only contains electrolytes and he may have been given either Stemetil or Maxalon for the nausea. None of those contain dexamethasone. One must also remember that those "pros" have a no needle policy. And the onus is on the athlete to monitor what is administered.

Was this person at J2C or just in the medical field?

[Patchelicious]

I find this interesting as in my experience of the "minor" stage races the medics have very little leeway to dispense actual drugs. Mostly it's strapping and creams on wounds. When I tried get an anti-inflammatory for a sprained wrist at W2W a few years back it was a no go from the medical tent.

 

In any event a pro is responsible for knowing what he is taking. The shifting of blame only works if you can find a pharmacist who is happy to provide a BS affidavit about a previous customer.

My question was: IF the doc did in fact give him the wrong meds would we believe it?

 

IF this did really happen it would also not be blame shifting.

 

IF this did happen would the doc actually admit it? Giving somebody the wrong meds, is a biggie...

 

I'm not talking about the likely hood of this, history has taught us better, but I'm just trying to be objective.

Edited January 2, 2017 by Patchelicious

[Patchelicious]

He doped, he got caught. He denies it all.

Same old story.

Move on I'd say, dopers are not worth all this energy being expended on them post-mortem

 

edit / PS:

Which of these are true?

• Favourite sons do not commit murder
• Clergy do not commit adultery
• teachers do not commit peadophilia
• Cyclists do not dope

nuff said

I do think that a discussion about meds at Race tents is worth having?

[Patchelicious]

http://joberg2c.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/JoBerg2C-Final-GC-Results-After-day-9.pdf

So on the last day they came 7th

 

https://www.saseeding.org/participants/event-results/old-mutual-jo-berg-2c-2016-04-30

[Stretch]

Oh ****..I see his partner on j2ç was Andrew hill.. Who is the most straight down the line nice chap your will ever meet.. Hope he doesn't feel the repercussions of this

[fandacious]

So on the last day they came 7th

 

https://www.saseeding.org/participants/event-results/old-mutual-jo-berg-2c-2016-04-30

 

thats impressive considering he stopped with dehydration and still had a shot from the doc

 

speaking of shots, whats the story with the no needles rule in SA?

[fandacious]

My question was: IF the doc did in fact give him the wrong meds would we believe it?

 

IF this did really happen it would also not be blame shifting.

 

IF this did happen would the doc actually admit it? Giving somebody the wrong meds, is a biggie...

 

I'm not talking about the likely hood of this, history has taught us better, but I'm just trying to be objective.

 

docs giving wrong meds is *very very very* serious.

[Patchelicious]

thats impressive considering he stopped with dehydration and still had a shot from the doc

 

speaking of shots, whats the story with the no needles rule in SA?

Impressive? Maybe. But it is indicative that something slowed them down.

 

Regarding the no needles, good question, how would that dude in the medical field have administered a ringer lactate fluid bag without one?