BicyclePower Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 There are wheels and wheel off Smart trainers, I'd propose the wheel off. The smart trainers work by managing the resistance so you don't change gears, so even with your thinner chain, it should still fit onto the 11 speed cassette most of these newer units take. Cadence... none of the smart trainers give you that directly, they only give you power, cadence you get from a cadence pod, My proposal, and I just got another friend to buy this setup over the weekend.1. Wahoo Kickr (Includes the cadence pod you need, to go onto Crank arm),The Cadence pod is ANT+ and Blue Tooth so will work with your current computer and also pair with a iPad or Samsung Pad2. Get the Wahoo Tickr Here Rate Strap, (Blue Tooth capable)3. MTB so probably a 12x142 axle so get the Wahoo adapterand then use TrainerRoad, Zwift and/or Sufferfest to do some self inflicted suffering GDon't forget that if using a PC you will need the magical ANT+ USB dongle (+/- R500 - 800)...... most current Samsung (android) tablets / phones support both ANT+ and BLE (bluetooth 4.0). iOS naturally does not support ANT+ and in order to make iOS ANT+ friendly generally costs +/- R2 000.00 for the iPhone / iPad ANT+ key (R1 195) and the 30pin to lightening adapter from your local iStore (R600 - 900). In which case it is generally preferred to buy a dual ANT+ / BLE cadence sensor and HR sensor as you suggested Wahoo offer these little accessories as a similar price point < R2000.
BicyclePower Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Hi everyone! I might be in the market for a Tacx Smart trainer.....had a look at the Tacx Flux. Any thoughts? Want to try out Swif but also want something with power and cadence readings. The other problem.....I only have a MTB and recently upgraded to SRAM Eagle 1x12 groupset....will this work? What should I do regarding the rear tyre and cassette? Thoughts and help will be highly appreciatedSomething to consider....... Tacx direct drive trainers only support 130mm and 135mm rear axles i.e. no 142mm or 148mm thru axles..... If you have a 142mm rear axle there only 2 real brands of IDT's you can look at. CycleOpsHammer or Magnus WahooKickr or Snap The CycleOps Magnus, Kickr and Snap will require a thru axle accessory usually around R1 000.00 while the CycleOps Hammer does not need this accessory as all the trainer end caps are included with the Hammer. if you running 148mm boost rear axle or planning to upgrade to a bike that offers boost at any point then the CycleOps Hammer is the only direct drive trainer to accommodate this........
awesme Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Agree, and this (ANT+) requirement applies to using Zwift... for TR you only need a BlueTooth capable iPad or Samsung, with all sensor BT capable. Agree making iOS ANT+ compatible just not worth it, rather use a computer with a dongle. Think OP need to prioritize he's wishes... is it Intervals training or social riding, if Intervals then TR is prob the #1 choice out there (Zwift does have a workout mode/workout creator capability now), if he def wants Zwift also then he needs the ANT+ capability which leads him to requiring ANT+ which implies computer + ANT dongle or Samsung pad (which I believe is ANT+ capable ?) G Don't forget that if using a PC you will need the magical ANT+ USB dongle (+/- R500 - 800)...... most current Samsung (android) tablets / phones support both ANT+ and BLE (bluetooth 4.0). iOS naturally does not support ANT+ and in order to make iOS ANT+ friendly generally costs +/- R2 000.00 for the iPhone / iPad ANT+ key (R1 195) and the 30pin to lightening adapter from your local iStore (R600 - 900). In which case it is generally preferred to buy a dual ANT+ / BLE cadence sensor and HR sensor as you suggested Wahoo offer these little accessories as a similar price point < R2000.
Pure Savage Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Pfff... Need to get the Tacx Magnum. A treadmill for bikes, Peter Sagan uses it. http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/tacx-magnum-trainer-47787/ No need to take wheels off, change tyres etc. Just get on and ride. Can incline up to a 20% gradient.
BicyclePower Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 At this point Zwift only works on PC and iOS not yet available on Android.....
APJ88 Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Very happy with my Wahoo Kickr 2. Makes indoor training a breeze. the loaded workouts are also super hard.
Schnavel Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Agree, and this (ANT+) requirement applies to using Zwift... for TR you only need a BlueTooth capable iPad or Samsung, with all sensor BT capable. Agree making iOS ANT+ compatible just not worth it, rather use a computer with a dongle. Think OP need to prioritize he's wishes... is it Intervals training or social riding, if Intervals then TR is prob the #1 choice out there (Zwift does have a workout mode/workout creator capability now), if he def wants Zwift also then he needs the ANT+ capability which leads him to requiring ANT+ which implies computer + ANT dongle or Samsung pad (which I believe is ANT+ capable ?) G Don't forget the PerfPro software. It has so many featured workouts included and there is no monthly fee, only a once off payment.
madbradd Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 What have you heard about local support. CWcycles just told me there's a 1 year factory defect warranty on the Tacx they are selling. What do hubbers know about Tacx after sales support? Sorry, only saw this now. Just having read previous BikeHub posts on the matter you see a number of people saying that they haven't been able to get support for Tacx (out of warranty general support if I remember correctly), where the Wahoo guys are great (can attest to this from personal experience with a Kickr) and the BicyclePower guys are also really helpful (personal experience with a PowerTap G3).
DJuice Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Don't forget that if using a PC you will need the magical ANT+ USB dongle (+/- R500 - 800)...... most current Samsung (android) tablets / phones support both ANT+ and BLE (bluetooth 4.0). iOS naturally does not support ANT+ and in order to make iOS ANT+ friendly generally costs +/- R2 000.00 for the iPhone / iPad ANT+ key (R1 195) and the 30pin to lightening adapter from your local iStore (R600 - 900). In which case it is generally preferred to buy a dual ANT+ / BLE cadence sensor and HR sensor as you suggested Wahoo offer these little accessories as a similar price point < R2000.So it is official, the cost of a smart trainer makes it unattainable to Joe Average!Back to my 13 year old Elite trainer.
BicyclePower Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 So it is official, the cost of a smart trainer makes it unattainable to Joe Average!Back to my 13 year old Elite trainer.Prices are coming down.... now if only our ZAR would come down too......
Mamil Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 That's the clincher for me - a non functional trainer is too big to be a paperweight. Of course it's all moot at the moment because I can't justify 20k for my bicycle riding addiction, in addition to all I am already spending on race entries and bike maintenance at the moment. Next winter perhaps. Sorry, only saw this now. Just having read previous BikeHub posts on the matter you see a number of people saying that they haven't been able to get support for Tacx (out of warranty general support if I remember correctly), where the Wahoo guys are great (can attest to this from personal experience with a Kickr) and the BicyclePower guys are also really helpful (personal experience with a PowerTap G3).
PygaSchmyga Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Pfff... Need to get the Tacx Magnum. A treadmill for bikes, Peter Sagan uses it. http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/tacx-magnum-trainer-47787/ No need to take wheels off, change tyres etc. Just get on and ride. Can incline up to a 20% gradient. tacx2017_053-1470319306696-cujo09a06zqt-630-80.jpgyour name checks out!
koukie Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 I recently got a smart trainer. For me it was between the kickr and the Neo (when cwc had the special). I read many reviews and they are very similar, in the end I went for the Neo and basically the only reasons were the Neo makes a tiny bit less noise and the main reason was you can use the Neo without any electricity.
madbradd Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 So it is official, the cost of a smart trainer makes it unattainable to Joe Average!Back to my 13 year old Elite trainer. Cheapest smart trainer is probably the Tacx Vortex Smarthttp://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/tacx-trainer-vortex-smart-t2180 Cyclops Magnus or Tacx Flux are probably your best entries to the smart trainer market due to the power limit on the Vortex Smart (high intensity intervals will be a no-no with a 950W/10s limit although nobody has been able to tell me what happens when you exceed that limit)https://www.bicyclepower.co.za/product/magnus-electronic-indoor-trainer/http://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/tacx-t2900-flux-smart-trainerRemember you need a cassette for the Flux and ideally a dedicated training wheel for the Magnus. Add a cadence sensor (get the Wahoo one since it does Bluetooth and ANT+) for R1k.https://www.bicyclepower.co.za/product/wahoo-rpm-cadence-sensor/ Pick from a host of software available on iPad/iPhone/Android/PC/Mac at approx. 10USD per month.If you're using Zwift on a PC/Mac get an ANT+ stick (if you're using it on your iPad you can use Bluetooth):https://www.bicyclepower.co.za/product/ant-mini-usb-stick/
HdB Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Cheapest smart trainer is probably the Tacx Vortex Smarthttp://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/tacx-trainer-vortex-smart-t2180 Cyclops Magnus or Tacx Flux are probably your best entries to the smart trainer market due to the power limit on the Vortex Smart (high intensity intervals will be a no-no with a 950W/10s limit although nobody has been able to tell me what happens when you exceed that limit) I've got the Vortex Smart, and if you ride a route with gradients/resistance higher than it can manage, it adjusts your virtual speed down (at least in VirtualTraining). Can't say about the 950W/10s thing - even if I could reach 950W, I don't think I could keep it there for long enough. Even though it cannot let you properly feel the steeper climbs, it can still give you a pretty hard workout, so not a bad option if you don't have the extra R4k for the Flux.
shaper Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Selling mine https://www.bikehub.co.za/classifieds/253012-cycleops-powersync-ant/
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