Pure Savage Posted July 10, 2019 Share Horse....flog....dead...Top tube... sat...broke... known issue Wayne pudding Mol, nonky, Long Wheel Base and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted July 10, 2019 Share Top tube... sat...broke... known issueHence known issue and flogged to death every time a Canyon bike is mentioned !! But hey, it's the little things on a slow midweek Pure Savage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted July 10, 2019 Share Hence known issue and flogged to death every time a Canyon bike is mentioned !! But hey, it's the little things on a slow midweek If I have to hear about how e-bikes are the worst thing every time they are mentioned then this horse can get flogged a little longer. Long Wheel Base, Dexter-morgan, shaper and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canyon Bicycles SA Posted July 10, 2019 Share Dear All To clarify a few uncertainties on the above mentioned posts regarding CANYON imports:There is no VAT on shippingThe Import VAT however is a more difficult calculation as all imports into SA is worked out on ATV (Added Tax Value)For easy landed cost calculation in SA, we share this with customers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k66SorI-b_77oqS1FBkEQ3VLRRovHWy93NS_Zvmvrlc/edit?usp=sharingAn SA citizen can make 3 imports per year on your ID number. Whether it is from books to bikes. SARS will stop your 4th import when your ID number is all maxed out and request an import code from you.If the value of your import into SA is more than R50’000 you also need an Import Code.If you purchase a Canyon (all coming from Germany), you can gladly use your own Importers Code. If you do not have one, we can easily clear your purchase with our local Import Code. The courier (UPS) will inform us when it is requested from SARS and as soon as they do we always just create the document to clear it anyhow on your behalf, so no struggle for the customer.You will make two payments: One to Canyon for the bike, parts, frame, shipping and box. The other to UPS for the Duties and VAT once the bike arrives in SAThe fluctuating ZAR is a rather unique case for SA and something not normal for the Germans to experience, there is planning being done, although slightly difficult and slow, for a ZAR value on: www.canyon.com/en-za/All the bicycle brands importing complete bikes are also eligible to pay the 15% duties and ATV VAT.If you import frames and parts, to save that 15% duties, you have other additional costs like warehousing, employees, etc, but you create work in SA.If you buy the bike outside of SA, legally the purchase should be declared at the airport and you have to pay the Duties and VAT. If you sneak it past customs, please note, there is always a chance (and these days it happens more regularly) that the SARS officials will stop you and check your bike and request the needed paperwork. Canyon stands strong against this form of activities.Shipping, Duties, VAT… The direct to the consumer bikes from Canyon still comes at a great price point for amazing bikes! DieselnDust, Underachiever, Dieter ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 10, 2019 Share Dear All To clarify a few uncertainties on the above mentioned posts regarding CANYON imports:There is no VAT on shippingThe Import VAT however is a more difficult calculation as all imports into SA is worked out on ATV (Added Tax Value)For easy landed cost calculation in SA, we share this with customers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k66SorI-b_77oqS1FBkEQ3VLRRovHWy93NS_Zvmvrlc/edit?usp=sharingAn SA citizen can make 3 imports per year on your ID number. Whether it is from books to bikes. SARS will stop your 4th import when your ID number is all maxed out and request an import code from you.If the value of your import into SA is more than R50’000 you also need an Import Code.If you purchase a Canyon (all coming from Germany), you can gladly use your own Importers Code. If you do not have one, we can easily clear your purchase with our local Import Code. The courier (UPS) will inform us when it is requested from SARS and as soon as they do we always just create the document to clear it anyhow on your behalf, so no struggle for the customer.You will make two payments: One to Canyon for the bike, parts, frame, shipping and box. The other to UPS for the Duties and VAT once the bike arrives in SAThe fluctuating ZAR is a rather unique case for SA and something not normal for the Germans to experience, there is planning being done, although slightly difficult and slow, for a ZAR value on: www.canyon.com/en-za/All the bicycle brands importing complete bikes are also eligible to pay the 15% duties and ATV VAT.If you import frames and parts, to save that 15% duties, you have other additional costs like warehousing, employees, etc, but you create work in SA.If you buy the bike outside of SA, legally the purchase should be declared at the airport and you have to pay the Duties and VAT. If you sneak it past customs, please note, there is always a chance (and these days it happens more regularly) that the SARS officials will stop you and check your bike and request the needed paperwork. Canyon stands strong against this form of activities.Shipping, Duties, VAT… The direct to the consumer bikes from Canyon still comes at a great price point for amazing bikes! Just building on this, Some pals of mine came over from the UK to race the Tour of Good Hope this year. Whole contingent of them.Some were asked for proof of ownership of the bikes they brought into the country. they were issued with temporary import licenses or other document to prevent the bikes from attracting duties. Had to declare that it was for own use etc etc. When they left they had to go through a SARS clearance at the CTIA to ensure they were in fact taking the bikes back out as they declared. the guy who arrived a few days later during CTCT influx was spared the pain. (he was riding the Epic). So not sure if letting a family bring in a bike and then leave it behind is a very wise move as they may incur some import duties when they leave without the bike. I'm no expert in this area but it appears a risky course of action to take. then what about the warranty after you supertuck...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted July 10, 2019 Share Just building on this, Some pals of mine came over from the UK to race the Tour of Good Hope this year. Whole contingent of them.Some were asked for proof of ownership of the bikes they brought into the country. they were issued with temporary import licenses or other document to prevent the bikes from attracting duties. Had to declare that it was for own use etc etc. When they left they had to go through a SARS clearance at the CTIA to ensure they were in fact taking the bikes back out as they declared. the guy who arrived a few days later during CTCT influx was spared the pain. (he was riding the Epic). So not sure if letting a family bring in a bike and then leave it behind is a very wise move as they may incur some import duties when they leave without the bike. I'm no expert in this area but it appears a risky course of action to take. then what about the warranty after you supertuck...???Or working on the indoor trainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter-morgan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Dear All To clarify a few uncertainties on the above mentioned posts regarding CANYON imports:There is no VAT on shippingThe Import VAT however is a more difficult calculation as all imports into SA is worked out on ATV (Added Tax Value)For easy landed cost calculation in SA, we share this with customers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k66SorI-b_77oqS1FBkEQ3VLRRovHWy93NS_Zvmvrlc/edit?usp=sharingAn SA citizen can make 3 imports per year on your ID number. Whether it is from books to bikes. SARS will stop your 4th import when your ID number is all maxed out and request an import code from you.If the value of your import into SA is more than R50’000 you also need an Import Code.If you purchase a Canyon (all coming from Germany), you can gladly use your own Importers Code. If you do not have one, we can easily clear your purchase with our local Import Code. The courier (UPS) will inform us when it is requested from SARS and as soon as they do we always just create the document to clear it anyhow on your behalf, so no struggle for the customer.You will make two payments: One to Canyon for the bike, parts, frame, shipping and box. The other to UPS for the Duties and VAT once the bike arrives in SAThe fluctuating ZAR is a rather unique case for SA and something not normal for the Germans to experience, there is planning being done, although slightly difficult and slow, for a ZAR value on: www.canyon.com/en-za/All the bicycle brands importing complete bikes are also eligible to pay the 15% duties and ATV VAT.If you import frames and parts, to save that 15% duties, you have other additional costs like warehousing, employees, etc, but you create work in SA.If you buy the bike outside of SA, legally the purchase should be declared at the airport and you have to pay the Duties and VAT. If you sneak it past customs, please note, there is always a chance (and these days it happens more regularly) that the SARS officials will stop you and check your bike and request the needed paperwork. Canyon stands strong against this form of activities.Shipping, Duties, VAT… The direct to the consumer bikes from Canyon still comes at a great price point for amazing bikes! Thanks for all the info but what is the purpose of Canyon SA, if we still have to do all the importing? Jako De Wet, nonky, babse and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthieup Posted July 10, 2019 Share Just building on this, Some pals of mine came over from the UK to race the Tour of Good Hope this year. Whole contingent of them.Some were asked for proof of ownership of the bikes they brought into the country. they were issued with temporary import licenses or other document to prevent the bikes from attracting duties. Had to declare that it was for own use etc etc. When they left they had to go through a SARS clearance at the CTIA to ensure they were in fact taking the bikes back out as they declared. the guy who arrived a few days later during CTCT influx was spared the pain. (he was riding the Epic). So not sure if letting a family bring in a bike and then leave it behind is a very wise move as they may incur some import duties when they leave without the bike. I'm no expert in this area but it appears a risky course of action to take. then what about the warranty after you supertuck...??? Can they not declare it broken? or best stolen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 10, 2019 Share Can they not declare it broken? or best stolenDon't know but I'm not best qualified to give advice on tax evasion... Dieter ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Pure Savage, matthieup and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisismyotherbike Posted July 10, 2019 Share Thanks for all the info but what is the purpose of Canyon SA, if we still have to do all the importing? To provide some support and let you touch the bikes before ordering. They are not a distribution center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechatnoir Posted July 10, 2019 Share Can they not declare it broken? or best stolen they'd probably be asked for a case number if they say it's stolen. While totally believable, it'll be somewhat fraudulent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canyon Bicycles SA Posted July 10, 2019 Share Thanks for all the info but what is the purpose of Canyon SA, if we still have to do all the importing? Clearing orders that are at customs and needing import code. First contact of customer service is with Canyon Service Center in Germany, then passed to Canyon SA when needed. Going to events to give potential customers the chance to touch and test the bikes. Technical Service when needed. Somebody to talk to. Canyon SA is only 1 person, at least someone that understands Afrikaans Long Wheel Base, Cunning-Stunt, Zatopek and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 10, 2019 Share and very willing to assist with any issues as liaison between canyon and owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter-morgan Posted July 11, 2019 Share Clearing orders that are at customs and needing import code. First contact of customer service is with Canyon Service Center in Germany, then passed to Canyon SA when needed. Going to events to give potential customers the chance to touch and test the bikes. Technical Service when needed. Somebody to talk to. Canyon SA is only 1 person, at least someone that understands Afrikaans So ons kan jou vloek in Afrikaans en jy weet wat ons bedoel, Sies Ek is lelik, seker omdat Ek nooit n Canyon sal kan bekostig nie. Canyon Bicycles SA and Dieter ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted July 11, 2019 Share South African's want it all, they want direct sales to cut out the middle man for cost saving but then want a middle man for service issues etc. We gotta make up our minds. I think its a great business model in this market and it was great to have a chat to the Canyon team as the Knysna Expo and have a first hand look at the grail. Now to pull the trigger No other bike brand was there to chat to, so they seem to be putting themselves out there and approachable, which I have not experienced with other brands. lurkerza, Mopkop, DieselnDust and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottCM Posted July 11, 2019 Share If one requires spares such as forks of seatpost etc, where would one purchase those as i can't find a link on the website? Canyon Bicycles SA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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