An-Li Kachelhoffer - Guilty of Anti-Doping Violation - Best kept secret. Why?

[V12man]

I wasn't blaming the doctor - I only mentioned the doctor because they would have a better idea of the active ingredients. Their ingredient knowledge coupled with the athletes banned substance knowledge should/could/would have led to An-Li not taking a banned substance.

Prescribing only stuff that is not on WADAs list could lead to some immensely poor treatment decisions... perhaps even a malpractice suit...

 

The ingredients of every drug prescribed are detailed in the insert packaging included with the drug. Athletes should always refer to this and not their doctors memory of drug composition.

[Eldron]

Prescribing only stuff that is not on WADAs list could lead to some immensely poor treatment decisions... perhaps even a malpractice suit...

 

The ingredients of every drug prescribed are detailed in the insert packaging included with the drug. Athletes should always refer to this and not their doctors memory of drug composition.

Fair point!

[Shebeen]

Let me add a few facts to this discussion.

 

So-called local elite racing in SA is by no means on the same level as racing on a Pro Continental or World Pro Tour Team. A person who gets tested in SA is done as an indiviual. Drug Free Sport do not inform the club or team that the rider represents. Neither do they publish a list of riders, that they have tested. In this case, the ban has already been served and only now this information is published. Not good.

 

An-Li had already resigned from her local team. She was not racing at all at the time of the test. She was planning on the next part of her adult life of bearing children. I suppose she was wrong to not inform SAIDS that she had retired from competitive sport. I'm not sure of the legal side when information can be published by SAIDS.

 

The information on the case is available to read. It shows that An-Li did not ask for a B Sample to be tested. She acknowledge the fact she took medication issued to her. The doctor who issued the medication admitted he gave her the medication for health reasons. She did not waste time with getting a lawyer. As a kid who almost died a number of time from asthma attacks. My parents would have given me any medication so I would have survived. I have a hole in the side of my abdomen as a result of one of this attacks.

 

Anyway, back to An-Li. She was found guilty. This will not change. She admitted to taking the medication for health reason, not for sporting gain. I doubt there is any cover by SAIDS or CyclingSA. There is also no cover up by any club or team. It was a personal matter between An-Li and SAIDS.

Thank you for that perspective. Happy to have more facts to this discussion, maybe you can add some more.

 

Do you have any skin in the game?

In the sake of transparency, is this you?

https://mobile.twitter.com/obbotha?lang=en

 

Because that's where a Google search sends me.

[Thor Buttox]

Here in Aus every coach has to do an annual accreditation and needs to abide by that. We just have to look up on www.globaldro.com. I have some athletes heading off to Sydney for a national comp who are young asthma sufferers. Same situation - I have instructed each of them to get a TUE just in case but their medication would need to be a ludicrous amount of use to even be tested positive. Which always intrigues me about these cases...

[intern]

I see the one oke is banned for taking Meth 

Surely he needs rehab, not a cycling sanction for performance enhancing drugs.

And according to that list Kevin Evans was nailed for cocaine -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzoylecgonine -- didn't know that's what he went down for. Although always suspected he was on the juice, and it was well known informally that Brandon Stewart was juicing loooong before he got nailed.

[nathrix]

And according to that list Kevin Evans was nailed for cocaine -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzoylecgonine -- didn't know that's what he went down for. Although always suspected he was on the juice, and it was well known informally that Brandon Stewart was juicing loooong before he got nailed.

Couldn’t you have waited for Friday... now we’re gonna get their WAGS on here hitting us with their broomsticks...O wait a minute....Friday is a holiday and doesn’t one of the them bro’s have a new WAG in shining armour?

[mvrooyen]

Let me add a few facts to this discussion.

 

So-called local elite racing in SA is by no means on the same level as racing on a Pro Continental or World Pro Tour Team. A person who gets tested in SA is done as an indiviual. Drug Free Sport do not inform the club or team that the rider represents. Neither do they publish a list of riders, that they have tested. In this case, the ban has already been served and only now this information is published. Not good.

 

An-Li had already resigned from her local team. She was not racing at all at the time of the test. She was planning on the next part of her adult life of bearing children. I suppose she was wrong to not inform SAIDS that she had retired from competitive sport. I'm not sure of the legal side when information can be published by SAIDS. 

 

The information on the case is available to read. It shows that An-Li did not ask for a B Sample to be tested. She acknowledge the fact she took medication issued to her. The doctor who issued the medication admitted he gave her the medication for health reasons. She did not waste time with getting a lawyer. As a kid who almost died a number of time from asthma attacks. My parents would have given me any medication so I would have survived. I have a hole in the side of my abdomen as a result of one of this attacks.

 

Anyway, back to An-Li. She was found guilty. This will not change. She admitted to taking the medication for health reason, not for sporting gain. I doubt there is any cover by SAIDS or CyclingSA. There is also no cover up by any club or team. It was a personal matter between An-Li and SAIDS.

Spot on. Anyone that actually knows An-Li will know better. Some people just immediately jumps to conclusions, others detriment makes them feel better.

[Patchelicious]

Prescribing only stuff that is not on WADAs list could lead to some immensely poor treatment decisions... perhaps even a malpractice suit...

 

The ingredients of every drug prescribed are detailed in the insert packaging included with the drug. Athletes should always refer to this and not their doctors memory of drug composition.

Doc, this has been your stance on a few discussions. That Docs have an obligation to treat first worry about WADA second. I agree with this.

 

The part that I don’t really fully agree with is that there is absolute of “prescribing only stuff that’s not on the WADA list”.

 

The way that I would think it should work is a conversation. Doc and patient can take 5 mins and check the proposed prescription together on WADA, make sure both parties are comfortable with the decision, or jointly talk about an alternative solution.

 

I think that’s a reasonable request?

[Thor Buttox]

Doc, this has been your stance on a few discussions. That Docs have an obligation to treat first worry about WADA second. I agree with this.

 

The part that I don’t really fully agree with is that there is absolute of “prescribing only stuff that’s not on the WADA list”.

 

The way that I would think it should work is a conversation. Doc and patient can take 5 mins and check the proposed prescription together on WADA, make sure both parties are comfortable with the decision, or jointly talk about an alternative solution.

 

I think that’s a reasonable request?

Even then there is protocol. If a patient needs something serious there is no problem prescribing it. The issue almost always is - the patient should not be in a position to race if they need that particular substance.

[Patchelicious]

Even then there is protocol. If a patient needs something serious there is no problem prescribing it. The issue almost always is - the patient should not be in a position to race if they need that particular substance.

I know, and agree, but it doesnt answer my question.

[Thor Buttox]

I know, and agree, but it doesnt answer my question.

Sorry, my 'I agree' was implied.

[eddy]

Doc, this has been your stance on a few discussions. That Docs have an obligation to treat first worry about WADA second. I agree with this.

 

The part that I don’t really fully agree with is that there is absolute of “prescribing only stuff that’s not on the WADA list”.

 

The way that I would think it should work is a conversation. Doc and patient can take 5 mins and check the proposed prescription together on WADA, make sure both parties are comfortable with the decision, or jointly talk about an alternative solution.

 

I think that’s a reasonable request?

 

All IMHO:

 

I think where the athlete is in a position to do so and there is a viable medical alternative it is reasonable requests.

 

Where there is no viable alternative, the TUE process could and should then immediately be initiated.

 

Where the patient is not in a position to discuss it due to some incapacity, the doctor should treat as best indicated medically and the athlete must take his chances with WADA.

['Dale]

I know, and agree, but it doesnt answer my question.

 

The emotionally intelligent doctor that smiles on the pharmacy door advertisement would assess the patient’s need, understand the situation and intervene with so-called elegance and awesome courtesy.

 

The average doc is guided by prescription guidelines / suppliers, the daily grind of patient appt schedule as well as the Oath (Do no harm).

[Chingy182]

And according to that list Kevin Evans was nailed for cocaine -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzoylecgonine -- didn't know that's what he went down for. Although always suspected he was on the juice, and it was well known informally that Brandon Stewart was juicing loooong before he got nailed.

I've never tried cocaine before, but according to my thoughts it would have it's place as a booster for stuff like downhill mtb'ing for sure or a batsman in cricket in a T20 match...

 

Pieter De Villiers - the scrum coach of the Springboks used to play international rugby for France a few years ago and was banned for 2 years after testing positive for cocaine.

Think Pedrie Wannenburg was another.

[Mongoose!]

 

Pieter De Villiers - the scrum coach of the Springboks used to play international rugby for France a few years ago and was banned for 2 years after testing positive for cocaine.

 

 

Snorre?  For France?

[Gen]

I've never tried cocaine before, but according to my thoughts it would have it's place as a booster for stuff like downhill mtb'ing for sure or a batsman in cricket in a T20 match...

 

Pieter De Villiers - the scrum coach of the Springboks used to play international rugby for France a few years ago and was banned for 2 years after testing positive for cocaine.

Think Pedrie Wannenburg was another.

Back in the 1920's cocaine was the EPO of the peloton.

 

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