Racers fail doping tests for EWS

[MORNE]

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MuscleFreak Superload 5000

that part legit made me LOL

thanks

[V18]

I once went to a mechanic. He did a bad thing. All mechanics are bad. I go straight to the engineers that designed the car.

I once got an electrician. He did a booboo. I only go to electrical engineers from now on.

(My response to GP's not being real Dr's.)

For interest sake. You cut your finger on a random Sunday. Requires some suturing. Nothing hectic. Call the plastic surgeon?

You crack your ulna. Requires a simple backslab and circular pop. Straight to ortho? Have bronchitis. Straight to physician?

[MORNE]

I once went to a mechanic. He did a bad thing. All mechanics are bad. I go straight to the engineers that designed the car.

I once got an electrician. He did a booboo. I only go to electrical engineers from now on.

(My response to GP's not being real Dr's.)

For interest sake. You cut your finger on a random Sunday. Requires some suturing. Nothing hectic. Call the plastic surgeon?

You crack your ulna. Requires a simple backslab and circular pop. Straight to ortho? Have bronchitis. Straight to physician?

 

sure, my post was naturally going to get this stick -  i knew it, but thats why I wrote it

...i'm not totally uninformed and knew it might upset some on here as I also know from reading on here that some of you are in the industry.

all I meant to say was....from my personal experiences of being misdiagnosed by 3 GP's over the course of 3 years in the past and literally almost dying from it that one time...id rather just skip the pleasantries of dealing with guys that are ill equipped (be it because of knowledge or available tools) to deal with real problems. and that is why i dont have a GP/house doctor. when i feel the need...I just head to the hospital, if thats for a cut or whatever...when you hit the emergancy room and the nurse faints behind the counter because of what you present....they get someone from the next room that will hook you up instead of "referring" you to the next guy.

 

imo - the post above was written in the same fashion as my polarising one....extreme subject to interpretation/discussion. And I will agree that you are right....except for the electrical engineer part   

 

anyway, i'm not undermining anyone's career/education. i'm a professional too and realise what it takes to study for 7 years to do something. But in my industry people are also allowed to do certain work to a certain extent even though they did not go all the way....and in that sense..people get what they pay for most of the time too.

 

 

 

PS: i'll let myself out before i get thrown out  . I had my part in derailing this thread. sorry about that.

[V18]

Ugh. Maybe I should have just let it go. Just super butthurt for exactly that. Have been seeing some very primary level stuff all night and only getting to the serious things (heart attacks/strokes) much later than I should have. Call me triggered. System is overloaded with non emergent stuff that should be managed on a primary level. GPs are variable. Know a few good ones. You don't want to have your stroke lysis time missed because some oke with neglected bronchitis decided to jump the triage line.

Also. Back to the tread. Maes's Dr did a pretty damn good job. Followed good guidelines. UCI is going to ruin the sport.

[Andrew Steer]

Ah you're in the red wine and bread camp

And you're in the 'play the man game' when your ridiculous comments are pointed out - very mature.

 

I'll ask again, please try answer this time... who do you want to be held responsible for what is found in an athletes body (since you claim it's over the top to look at the athlete himself) when they are caught with illegal ingredients in them?

[ChrisF]

Ugh. Maybe I should have just let it go. Just super butthurt for exactly that. Have been seeing some very primary level stuff all night and only getting to the serious things (heart attacks/strokes) much later than I should have. Call me triggered. System is overloaded with non emergent stuff that should be managed on a primary level. GPs are variable. Know a few good ones. You don't want to have your stroke lysis time missed because some oke with neglected bronchitis decided to jump the triage line.

Also. Back to the tread. Maes's Dr did a pretty damn good job. Followed good guidelines. UCI is going to ruin the sport.

 

Sadly my experience lines up with Morne ...

 

GP mis-diagnosed my wife three time in a row, for the same thing ... wanted to "try" the fourth med when we insisted on seeing a specialist .... halfway through the consultation the specialist laughed !  Totally incompetent GP missed the obvious ....

 

Having been misdiagnosed by a string of GP's over a period of two weeks, since my first hospitalisation, before my specialist stepped in and insisted on a scan before I was diagnosed with a gall stone certainly did nothing for my faith in the abilities of GP's ....

 

 

 

That said, over the years we have encountered two BRILLIANT GP's, and one good GP.  Sadly the first two both left the city and set up practice in the platteland .... and the other is so over booked that you litterally need a 2 to 3 week appointment to see him.

 

 

 

BUT, in all fairness, getting back to your examples ....

 

I have taken my vehicle back to the dealers to have it re-serviced when it was patently clear they did not do the jobs listed on the job card .... these were supposedly dealer trained specialists.

 

I work in the building trade and have seen some seriously shocking work by some electricians ...

 

So yes, each trade has their wrotten appels .... fact is, I am often employed to do third party inspections of work in my trade .... and my blood boils when I see how some of my "peers" cut corners ....

 

 

So back to the medical profession .... there ARE some brilliant and dedicated people in this industry, just as there are people that do this industry a dis-service .... 

[Duane_Bosch]

I personally think these guys are getting off very lightly.

 

Short sanctions

No fallout from team

No instant cancellation of contract.

[PhilipV]

when i feel the need...I just head to the hospital, if thats for a cut or whatever...when you hit the emergancy room and the nurse faints behind the counter because of what you present....they get someone from the next room that will hook you up instead of "referring" you to the next guy.

 

 

 

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You realise that the docs who sees you in hospital is a GP. Maybe you'll get the specialist if you arrive in an ambulance or you present yourself with a real life threatening emergency, but for stitches you won't get the "real good Dr." I'm fact, you'll probably get the locum. If you're lucky, said locum will have decent experience from their internship.

 

Trust me, you'll find a good house Dr when you have kids. You stop running to a pediatric dr for a fart, cough or sneeze before the first born turns 1.

[PhilipV]

I can't help but feel t b at participating in a "lowly" NZ enduro in sloppy conditions cost MM the overall.

The episode has some Expensive lessons for all.

[stefmeister]

And you're in the 'play the man game' when your ridiculous comments are pointed out - very mature.

 

I'll ask again, please try answer this time... who do you want to be held responsible for what is found in an athletes body (since you claim it's over the top to look at the athlete himself) when they are caught with illegal ingredients in them?

 

If I'm not mistaken, you're arguing with someone here who racked up 90% of his total posts in one thread defending ex-dopers. 

 

 

BTW, I don't buy the accidental ingestion either. All supplements are about as useful as tits on a nun. You want more protein or bcaa, eat an extra egg. Need a buzz, leave the pre-workout and have a coffee or a redbull if you must. You'll save money and the risk of "accidental ingestion" BS.

[NickGM]

Spoke to My GP about this. The response was that doctors act in your best interest not in terms of witch hunting organizations like wada.

I remember one of the TdF team doctors in the 90s saying that he prescribed his cyclists EPO because, looking at their blood work, this is what they needed. After 2 weeks of racing around France for 6 hours a day they were very unhealthy and this is what he needed to give them to make them healthy again. He said if any patient ever showed up with that level of depletion in red blood cells (or haemoglobin or whatever the correct metric is), it was his job to correct it. It was a valid point, but still illegal. 

[Odinson]

If I'm not mistaken, you're arguing with someone here who racked up 90% of his total posts in one thread defending ex-dopers. 

 

 

BTW, I don't buy the accidental ingestion either. All supplements are about as useful as tits on a nun. You want more protein or bcaa, eat an extra egg. Need a buzz, leave the pre-workout and have a coffee or a redbull if you must. You'll save money and the risk of "accidental ingestion" BS.

 

Again, speculation on my part, but I think a number of these guys 'juice up' on every supplement their sponsor can throw at them. Pre-workout, protein this, testo-booster that, HGH, you name it. 

[Odinson]

I can't help but feel t b at participating in a "lowly" NZ enduro in sloppy conditions cost MM the overall.

The episode has some Expensive lessons for all.

 

Well, it has. Imagine the disappointment of having your two wins stripped and not being allowed to race at Whistler. He's been on a basically perfect season till now. 

[Jewbacca]

Well, it has. Imagine the disappointment of having your two wins stripped and not being allowed to race at Whistler. He's been on a basically perfect season till now. 

Because he has been doping....... 

[DieselnDust]

And you're in the 'play the man game' when your ridiculous comments are pointed out - very mature.

 

I'll ask again, please try answer this time... who do you want to be held responsible for what is found in an athletes body (since you claim it's over the top to look at the athlete himself) when they are caught with illegal ingredients in them?

Shame sorry your sensitive feelings got dented. Will have to be more careful with you next time princess.

as soon as wada or the UCI conduct proper and regular audits on producers of pharmaceuticals and supplements I'll take responsibility for what I ingest. As it currently stands many of the supplement producers fail audits but wiggle their way to satisfactory outcomes through manipulation and money. Hence I minimise my use of supplements.

But how clean is the milk I buy at woollies? How clean is that steri stumpie? The only way any reasonable person can be held 100% responsible for what goes into their bodies is if they grow their own food.

 

But please feel free to call this post out as ridiculous because it doesn't suit your narrative. And you have the cheek to tell me I played the man..... Lol

[Odinson]

Because he has been doping.......