Enduro/gravity bike suspension and geo

[Headshot]

Put a 2.4 Trail Boss WTB on the back of my bike. It looks a but puny next to the Assegai but it has the Tough casing which is thick and heavy and I am loving it. Rolls suitably fast and handles the bigger hits and rocks without feeling as if its going to get a hole in it. I can also run it at a bit lower pressure. As its designed to roll fast its not hugely grippy under braking but corners very well. Probably the ideal back tyre in dry SA conditions but not so great for mud or very loose terrain.

[StevieG]

Do any of you run tyre inserts for your Enduro rigs?

[Thermophage]

Just now, StevieG said:

Do any of you run tyre inserts for your Enduro rigs?

Nope I just run tyres with better sidewalls. I.e. Schwalbe's Super Gravity or Specialised Grid Gravity on the rear. Lighter than krappier sidewall plus insert. 

[Wheelie87]

On 3/2/2021 at 1:54 PM, Headshot said:

Wow its quiet around here... Anyone else found that RS forks overstate the air pressure to rider weight? I'm in at least the 85kg range but I find the recommended pressure way to high. I'm currently around 55psi in my Yari with no tokens!

I have experienced the same on my Pike Ult 
Any advise on the dark arts of setting the LSC and HSC 
I get it right every now and then but mostly not lol I see now this was posted in March (still relevant to me though)
 

[Rock Guy]

1 hour ago, StevieG said:

Do any of you run tyre inserts for your Enduro rigs?

Yup, Cushcore. Used to run it front and back with lighter casings (EXO /EXO+). Running DH casing tyres now, kept the Cushcore in the back. 

I like running low pressures in tyres, but I hate rim pings. This system seems to work for me.

It weighs an absolute F-tonne, but I haven't destroyed a rim since I started using Cushcore.

[MajG]

Since always being on maxxis dhf dhr assegai disector agressor ardent rekon forekaster 

I thought I would try a left field tyre, not commonly seen on our trails but very close tread pattern to dhr,  i purchased panaracer  romero 29x2.4 triple compound, ST -super tough casing etc. It's on the rear,  not the fastest but the tyres does absorb , damps the rides abit so helps on the hardtail.

 

Grips well, but haven't really put it thru some heavy sessions or in full dry out trails as yet.

Been in tokai , cobra and dh lines but all on damp trails.

Will see how holds out in the summer days

[StevieG]

15 hours ago, Rock Guy said:

Yup, Cushcore. Used to run it front and back with lighter casings (EXO /EXO+). Running DH casing tyres now, kept the Cushcore in the back. 

I like running low pressures in tyres, but I hate rim pings. This system seems to work for me.

It weighs an absolute F-tonne, but I haven't destroyed a rim since I started using Cushcore.

Was looking at cushcore, but hard to find locally. Running DHF2 front and rear, and so far so good, no punctures or rim dings yet. Not too fussed with the weight, but was also thinking along the lines of getting a faster rolling rear tyre with cushcore, and then keeping the dhf on the front.

[Thermophage]

Which casing DHR, that's the NB bit. EXO/EXO+ for the rear can eat a bag of dicks. I can kill them on a mistake easy at 30PSI, never mind the fact I feel the tread pattern has no straight line braking traction. 

Conversely I can run a Schwalbe SG casing on the rear at 24PSI on TM, Tokai, Jonkers and not ping a rim even under mistakes :S

And no inserts needed either woop woop.

We need to talk far more about casing in addition to tread pattern when it comes to tyres and you'll quickly find Maxxiss is not necessarily the best for your riding preference.

[thebob]

16 hours ago, Wheelie87 said:

I have experienced the same on my Pike Ult 
Any advise on the dark arts of setting the LSC and HSC 
I get it right every now and then but mostly not lol I see now this was posted in March (still relevant to me though)
 

I have my Pike working very nicely with the following methodology (start with everything full open):

20% sag

Rebound set so the wheel doesn't jump off the floor when doing a big fast compression

HSC backed all the way out then one click in

LSC at 12 clicks from full closed. I found a nice spot where it help me up under braking, but wasn't too soft

16 minutes ago, StevieG said:

Was looking at cushcore, but hard to find locally. Running DHF2 front and rear, and so far so good, no punctures or rim dings yet. Not too fussed with the weight, but was also thinking along the lines of getting a faster rolling rear tyre with cushcore, and then keeping the dhf on the front.

Try a xSixx Foamo. Pretty light for the wide single ply version and should help keep the rims in one piece

[Wheelie87]

1 hour ago, thebob said:

I have my Pike working very nicely with the following methodology (start with everything full open):

20% sag

Rebound set so the wheel doesn't jump off the floor when doing a big fast compression

HSC backed all the way out then one click in

LSC at 12 clicks from full closed. I found a nice spot where it help me up under braking, but wasn't too soft

Ah OK great, will definitely try it out on my next ride and give feedback
I reckon I am around ~95kg with kit and RS recommends ~110psi (which I find too high, I run ever so slightly under 100) rebound -7 clicks
The fork is still stock standard/factory settings and according to RS 2 tokens (I need to confirm this myself)
Will implement the above and see - I am a set and forget type so every time I attempt to fine tune the LSC/HSC I tend to mess it all up

 

[Rock Guy]

1 hour ago, Thermophage said:

Which casing DHR, that's the NB bit. EXO/EXO+ for the rear can eat a bag of dicks. I can kill them on a mistake easy at 30PSI, never mind the fact I feel the tread pattern has no straight line braking traction. 

Conversely I can run a Schwalbe SG casing on the rear at 24PSI on TM, Tokai, Jonkers and not ping a rim even under mistakes :S

And no inserts needed either woop woop.

We need to talk far more about casing in addition to tread pattern when it comes to tyres and you'll quickly find Maxxiss is not necessarily the best for your riding preference.

Which Schwalbe is that? I'm keen to give it a go. Haven't tried Schwalbe in quite a few years now. Im running AssGuys front an back at the moment (maxxgrip), but to be honest, that's just too much grip. It's fine on the front, but I prefer the back a little bit looser.

[Thermophage]

2 minutes ago, Rock Guy said:

Which Schwalbe is that? I'm keen to give it a go. Haven't tried Schwalbe in quite a few years now. Im running AssGuys front an back at the moment (maxxgrip), but to be honest, that's just too much grip. It's fine on the front, but I prefer the back a little bit looser.

Currently the Big Betty 275x2.4 in Addix Soft (kinda like MaxxTerra). I have another brand new one for sale (shameless plug) if you are on 275 - not available in RSA because nobody talks about casing with any regularity here, so importers don't (generally) either . My current go to rear tyre is actually the Spez Butcher in Grid Gravity for both grip, rolling resistance (yes, it rolls better than the DHR2 and the Big Betty in my experience) and sidewall protection.

The Grid Gravity is stronger than a DoubleDown and an lighter than Maxass DH. The SuperGravity is stronger than the DH from Maxxis and similar weights...I have a spreadsheet if anyone is interested.

[Meezo]

Nobody shreds burms as hard as thermopage especially Tygerberg MTB burms.

👀

[Wheelie87]

20 minutes ago, Thermophage said:

I have a spreadsheet if anyone is interested.

Lol
Please share

[thebob]

51 minutes ago, Wheelie87 said:

 

Do you know if you are running the new Debonair spring with the smaller negative spring or the older one with the bigger negative spring?

[Thermophage]

4 minutes ago, Meezo said:

Nobody shreds burms as hard as thermopage especially Tygerberg MTB burms.

👀

Especially on my red groad bike with the skinny tyres. Haven't ridden there in many many months.