E Bike cheats

[madmarc]

every one saying what does it matter if you're 650 or 655th...

but what happens with seeding ?

 

Lets say there are enough e-bikes getting seeded ahead of you that it pushes you into a group further back, every group you move back affects your ability to better your previous time. More people to pass infront of you, less chances of bunches forming, normally hotter and adverse wind conditions the later in the day you get.

 

The no official time for e-bikes rule will not have an impact on seeding.....sorted

[gemmerbal]

Is dit 'n mooi tannie?  

[madmarc]

what about the front end of the race catching them on the more technical stuff ?

 

 

mmmmmm I doubt this would happen unless it was fairly flat or a descent to start with. These "Boyties" use that e-button even on the flats, not only on the climbs.

 

But should that happen - E-bike have to give way to normal riders rule would apply. The racing snakes can ring their bells, shout track and they would have to move over

[BigDL]

So here is my dilemma... Most (and I generalise here) people riding ebikes are less fit, beginner type riders. If its a fairly technical race, do you believe they will be able to handle their 30kg bikes over those obstacles better than the front race snakes to the degree that 15 minutes will be enough? I think if you want to ride an ebike, join the back of the race and learn some patience? You are afterall using assistance to compete with everyone else????

Never saw a fairly technical race in SA, certainly not in XCM anyway. Maybe enduro??

[Thor Buttox]

I really wish someone would put a knob on an e-Bike that says 'Competition' and the knob does exactly nothing, or makes the output limited to 200 watts because then we would see how much competition matters to the knob on an e-bike which wants to be in 'Competition'.

 

To the charmers who use the 'small penis' defence to justify their innate laziness in the absence of any physical deficiency, your logical phallusy is open for any rational person to see. Asking the people who believe that fairness and honesty whether it is in races, Strava or life in general is more important than your entitlement to do whatever your want is either an argument from ignorance ('I don't know or care about fairness in sport so an ebike is fair'), an appeal to popularity ('Lots of people have EBikes so it must be fine in races'), a middle ground fallacy ('although their is a difference between a bicycle and a motor bike we can't tell the difference between where they change'), anecdotal evidence ('I love riding an ebike so it is fine in races'), or any number of other common misperceptions.

 

If you are smart enough to realise that my assumption of laziness is also a fallacy, because I don't know if you are or not based on just your riding of an ebike, have the courtesy an honesty to realise the same rationale relates to your ignorance of or unwillingness to understand fair play.

 

None of this negates fun or motorised assistance on any trail - it's just for the real (and ONLY) villains here which is those who both have EBikes and are using them to 'cheat'.

[Patchelicious]

I really wish someone would put a knob on an e-Bike'.

Best setup today......

[Yyyy]

Really amusing thread

 

IMO (which may change in a week or a year or in 5 years), e-bikes have their place on both road and mountain.

 

BUT they don't belong in races under any circumstance.

Besides all the reasons about interference, potential cheating, e-bikes not being equal etc.

 

Put simply, if you riding an E-bike for fun then why bother racing at all.

Entry fees are already expensive, you can go ride those trails on any other day at a much lower cost.

 

To me racing is part about testing your fitness, whether its competing against yourself or fighting for podium or coming in second last or just finishing (and trying not to die in the process). It about being competitive, chasing a goal or target.

All that hard training rides finally being put to work.

 

Not sure how an racing an E-Bike contributes to any of the above.

 

I say again, if its just a fun ride then why enter the race at such an expensive price. Cheaper to visit trails any other day.

[Heinrich Hattingh]

Ai ja jai guys. Just go ride your bikes. And if you don't have the luxury to ride allot and be fit, take the e-bike out. It's better to be outside and the more the better for everyone. (safety etc). I for one would love to go do an epic Saaltjie ride right now, but honestly won't be able to right now without an e-bike. (live has seasons and we do other ****, get unfit/injured or both) E-bikes are here to stay so unless you Race with Nino and got bumped off the podium shut your pie-hole.

[Fat Boab]

How about if it's a closed road race e.g. 947? E-bikers can't access that route apart from on a day in Nov every year.

 

Really amusing thread

 

IMO (which may change in a week or a year or in 5 years), e-bikes have their place on both road and mountain.

 

BUT they don't belong in races under any circumstance.

Besides all the reasons about interference, potential cheating, e-bikes not being equal etc.

 

Put simply, if you riding an E-bike for fun then why bother racing at all.

Entry fees are already expensive, you can go ride those trails on any other day at a much lower cost.

 

To me racing is part about testing your fitness, whether its competing against yourself or fighting for podium or coming in second last or just finishing (and trying not to die in the process). It about being competitive, chasing a goal or target.

All that hard training rides finally being put to work.

 

Not sure how an racing an E-Bike contributes to any of the above.

 

I say again, if its just a fun ride then why enter the race at such an expensive price. Cheaper to visit trails any other day.

[Paulst12]

How about if it's a closed road race e.g. 947? E-bikers can't access that route apart from on a day in Nov every year.

 

Go and put in some of the hard yards, get fit enough so you arent one of the potantial cardac arrest victims and then enter the 947...we call that "school fees"

also if you have put in enough hours to be fit enough, chances are you will race in the correct manner and not be a liability with an over powered bike

[Patchelicious]

Ai ja jai guys. Just go ride your bikes. And if you don't have the luxury to ride allot and be fit, take the e-bike out. It's better to be outside and the more the better for everyone. (safety etc). I for one would love to go do an epic Saaltjie ride right now, but honestly won't be able to right now without an e-bike. (live has seasons and we do other ****, get unfit/injured or both) E-bikes are here to stay so unless you Race with Nino and got bumped off the podium shut your pie-hole.

Cool, so someone can ride one and come 4th at World XCO and you’d be ok with that. Excellent!

[DieselnDust]

so there I was laying F654ed on the grass at Bosman farm. 66km of the toughest mtb route that can be thrown at a push bike.

The e-bikers looked fresh but unsatisfied. Every ebiker came over and delivered heir excuse for riding an e-bike. Did I care?

Nope 1iOta. clearly 99% of them want to feel the pain and suffering that the push bikers went through.

Being the outsider is already emotionally draining to most of them. Why punish them further? Just enjoy your ride

be lekker man, be lekker

[BigDL]

Ai ja jai guys. Just go ride your bikes. And if you don't have the luxury to ride allot and be fit, take the e-bike out. It's better to be outside and the more the better for everyone. (safety etc). I for one would love to go do an epic Saaltjie ride right now, but honestly won't be able to right now without an e-bike. (live has seasons and we do other ****, get unfit/injured or both) E-bikes are here to stay so unless you Race with Nino and got bumped off the podium shut your pie-hole.

Nobody says you can’t ride an ebike, just not in a race against proper cyclists.

 

Don’t be a knob and start with the insults

[buchanan]

Have no idea why an e-biker (in reality a motor cyclist) would enter a pedal bike race...

An appeal to report all cheating e-bikers on Strava too. I already have reported some and had their cheat times removed.

[patches]

As stated in the other ebike hating thread, there are many reasons why someone may choose to ride such a contraption.

 

Whether it's due to physical limitation, laziness, gadget-geekery, "competitive" advantage, or they just like the soothing whine the bikes make. Each person has their reason for shelling out the clams for an electric bicycle.

 

One of the toughest guys I know (Joey Evans) rides an ebike. His reason is physical limitation (spinal cord injury). Despite physical limitation he manged to finish the 2017 Dakar rally on motorcycle. Sure he came 3rd last, but he was the only Saffer to finish on bike, and participating and finishing was all the accomplishment he could have dreamed of. He was never there to win. The race was against himself.

 

However he still struggles to ride a pedal bike, so if his ebike allows him, or someone like him to participate and finish a race, then I'm all for it. Those who ride them for this reason know they are not there to win. They're racing against themselves.

 

So what about those perfectly able-bodied individuals that use ebikes for a "competitive" advantage... well without modification ebikes are limited to 25kph. Anything faster than that and they become a hindrance not a help. Even with the electronic assistance I don't think they could sustain a 25kph average, and chances are they still won't average as high as the fast guys & gals.

 

Plus do you think UCI would ever turn a blind eye to eBikes in the big boy & girl leagues? Nope, so this only really affects smaller isolated events.

 

Besides, the ironic truth is that their "victory" will never be as sweet as that of someone who came stone last on an ebike, and despite physical limitation was able to participate and finish the race because of said bike.

 

Podiums and prize money aside, we are all racing ourselves, and I for one, am not bitter or jealous of those able-bodied individuals who may place better than me because of electronic assistance. Regardless of what the result sheets says, they have not won their race.

[patches]

Is it just me, or does this whole eBikes at races thing remind you of the "they took our jobs" theme from South Park