Sanctioned Individuals

['Kaze Pete]

Without mentioning names, what does it mean if CSA sanctions an individual?
Is there a list of such individuals available for general reference?
I know, RSA is the country of the free, but what if CSA licensed riders/groups/teams/clubs have connections to such individuals?

Edited May 15 by 'Kaze Pete

[DanMan]

I have never heard of individual sanctioning, only event sanctioning. The only other issue is CSA members with racing licenses can only ride CSA sanctioned events or face disciplinary actions.  

[Spinnekop]

25 minutes ago, DanMan said:

I have never heard of individual sanctioning, only event sanctioning. The only other issue is CSA members with racing licenses can only ride CSA sanctioned events or face disciplinary actions.  

I think her was more referring to the following as "sanctions":

Cycling South Africa (CSA) implements various sanctioning mechanisms for individuals who violate rules and regulations. These sanctions range from suspensions for doping violations to penalties for breaching race rules, and even financial penalties. The specific rules and regulations are governed by the UCI (Union Cycliste Internationale) in South African cycling

[DanMan]

4 minutes ago, Spinnekop said:

I think her was more referring to the following as "sanctions":

Cycling South Africa (CSA) implements various sanctioning mechanisms for individuals who violate rules and regulations. These sanctions range from suspensions for doping violations to penalties for breaching race rules, and even financial penalties. The specific rules and regulations are governed by the UCI (Union Cycliste Internationale) in South African cycling

Ahh, yes Doping sanctions with be published on Drug-free sport and then on CSA website. Other serious violations are also published on CyclingSA website. 

Some riders participating in a non-sanctioned race get a financial penalty, but this doesn't get publicized. The big sanctions are always the dopers, and this is available on Drug-Free website. 

['Kaze Pete]

People get sanctioned by CSA & UCI for more than just doping.

These individuals are not allowed to be 'involved in cycling' (my paraphrasing) for however long is deemed necessary.

Is there a list available of currently sanctioned individuals? Surely there must be, other than the obtuse headings of press releases/web pages, e.g.: "Cycling South Africa / [Individual/Group Name]"

What are the possible repercussions if you have dealings with such an individual in a cycling related matter?
 

[justinafrika]

19 hours ago, DanMan said:

I have never heard of individual sanctioning, only event sanctioning. The only other issue is CSA members with racing licenses can only ride CSA sanctioned events or face disciplinary actions.  

The matter involving Shaun-Nick Bester level 4 (edit: UCI level 3 certified coach, UCI have 3 coaching level qualifications- info from John Wakeman earlier in another thread) was concluded last year, individuals can be sanctioned.  Many here will recall that, after an extensive process involving investigations (including an independent consultancy investigation) and a disciplinary hearing and an appeal, Shaun-Nick Bester was found guilty of sexual grooming involving porn, harrassment and abuse. 

Some victims chose not to go through the process until the end.  14 and 17 year old teen girls and their families commendably persisted, resulting in a 15 year sanction which was later extended globally to the UCI and affiliated national federations.

 

https://www.cyclingsa.com/cycling-south-africa-shaun-nick-bester/

https://www.cyclingsa.com/uci-extends-shaun-nick-besters-ban-globally/

PS.  I'll name names as parents/guardians and teens should be in a position to make informed decisions.

 

Edited May 16 by justinafrika
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[shaper]

15 minutes ago, justinafrika said:

The matter involving Shaun-Nick Bester (UCI level 4 certified coach) was concluded last year, individuals can be sanctioned.  Many here will recall that, after an extensive process involving investigations (including an independent consultancy investigation) and a disciplinary hearing and an appeal, Shaun-Nick Bester was found guilty of sexual grooming involving porn, harrassment and abuse. 

Some victims chose not to go through the process until the end.  14 and 17 year old teen girls and their families commendably persisted, resulting in a 15 year sanction which was later extended globally to the UCI and affiliated national federations.

 

https://www.cyclingsa.com/cycling-south-africa-shaun-nick-bester/

https://www.cyclingsa.com/uci-extends-shaun-nick-besters-ban-globally/

It was actively discussed, if this is who the OP's sanctioned individual is referring to.

 

['Kaze Pete]

Okay, given the above example, surely there must be a list of 'banned/sanctioned' people available somewhere?

edit: dopers are listed, surely there must be a list of other people to 'avoid'?

Edited May 15 by 'Kaze Pete

[avalanx]

I've raced with a lot of guys clearly juiced to the gills, but i'm sure there are a lot more drugs going around that aren't as obvious as anabolic steroids.

[NotSoBigBen]

1 hour ago, 'Kaze Pete said:

Okay, given the above example, surely there must be a list of 'banned/sanctioned' people available somewhere?

edit: dopers are listed, surely there must be a list of other people to 'avoid'?

Don't be a circumlocutor bra ... Why not just get to the point and tell whom it is you want to 'avoid' 🤪

[Barry]

This thread is probably a bit to old but still the individual was sanctioned

 

https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/181457-another-doping-violation-rickardo-broxham/

[RobynE 🚵‍♀️]

Not sure if there is a list but if you google anyone’s name, you should find the info, if they’ve been sanctioned or if there is cause for concern.

Using S-N B as an example, it brings up masses of info about the charges and the outcome. 

I don’t know if I’m reading the OP’s question correctly but I don’t think that guilty by association applies in the case of sanctioned individuals viz their spouses/teams/etc. and it would depend on your own feelings around it all if you chose to interact with their associates. Like I know of some people in and outside of the sport of cycling whose associates I wouldn’t ever choose to be involved with, because I think they need their heads read in standing by their continued association with said people 😊 

[DieselnDust]

I do t think there a list other that what SAIDS publishes because there is specific exemption for dooong authorities to publish sanctions against individuals. If the sanction is applied for other reasons I believe (and may be wrong) that the sanction is only published by the authority applying said sanction once and there no list as this could be used for continued discrimination against the individual or individuals. If it is a criminal record then that should be accessible via the appropriate channels.

[Super Sywurm]

According to Gemini:

 

No Centralized Public List: While individuals do get sanctioned by CSA and the UCI, there doesn't appear to be a single, easily accessible public list of all currently sanctioned individuals on the Cycling South Africa website.

[Shebeen]

20 hours ago, 'Kaze Pete said:

People get sanctioned by CSA & UCI for more than just doping.

really, how often? could you name a few examples?

 

20 hours ago, 'Kaze Pete said:

These individuals are not allowed to be 'involved in cycling' (my paraphrasing) for however long is deemed necessary.

Is there a list available of currently sanctioned individuals? Surely there must be, other than the obtuse headings of press releases/web pages, e.g.: "Cycling South Africa / [Individual/Group Name]"

What are the possible repercussions if you have dealings with such an individual in a cycling related matter?
 

Would there be enough people for there to be a list?

['Kaze Pete]

30 minutes ago, Shebeen said:

really, how often? could you name a few examples?

 

Would there be enough people for there to be a list?

One has been mentioned already. Given human nature, surely there must be more?
Ideally, there should not be people to be put on such a list!

 

11 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

I do t think there a list other that what SAIDS publishes because there is specific exemption for dooong authorities to publish sanctions against individuals. If the sanction is applied for other reasons I believe (and may be wrong) that the sanction is only published by the authority applying said sanction once and there no list as this could be used for continued discrimination against the individual or individuals. If it is a criminal record then that should be accessible via the appropriate channels.

Surely, if CSA / UCI sanctions an individual/group (basically prevents them from having something to do with cycling), and CSA / UCI are able to impose penalties on groups / people registered with CSA/UCI, they should have a list of such individuals / groups available?

Edited May 16 by 'Kaze Pete