This story has to be challenged since the facts are not as you present them here and can be misconstrued that the course in question and its courseware are not up to scratch. You say you learnt more of the "finer points" of wheelbuilding somewhere else, not from the Yellow Saddle Wheelbuilding course. This is not surprising since you hardly attended the course. Fact is, due to niggling quality problems at the Jhb bike workshop where you were employed at the time, your employer approached me and asked that I provide training. He nominated you and your workshop manager to attend the course and paid the full fee. However, neither of you attended the critical first day where the theory and calculations are discussed and practiced. Upon reporting to your employer about your no-show on day 1, the two of you made a token appearance the next day, where we laced, tensioned and trued wheels. Neither of you brought wheel components to build. Neither of you opened your book or participated in that day's proceedings in any way. Both of you left early. Your employer was bitterly disappointed with this but shrugged it off with "a horse cannot be made to drink" and apologised to me, as if he had to. I am not surprised that you had to learn some of the finer points elsewhere. Coming to a class halfway through, with an attitude that it is a waste of a Sunday since you already know everything, is not what learning is about. That particular class produced one of the finest wheelbuilders I've come across. He attended both days, presented me with a completed product for evaluation (like the rest of his classmates) and made it his business to understand the formulas and theory in the book. But, some horses cannot be made to drink. Yes it has to be challenged. your reporting us to our employer at the time is BS as we were instructed that we still had to work on the Saturday, we were not given the time off to attend the first day. As I recall we were only told that we were attending the course on the friday. I never claim to know everything I am always open to correction and will openly say so. As I said in my previous post, I am still learning. We were not instructed to bring any product by yourself, in fact there was no communication to us to inform us as to what to bring, so that point is invalid. If someone is booked on a course surely you should send a mail or phone the people attending and tell them what to bring and what to expect? Fact is that even though we attended (didn't attend) the course our employer still has his wheels built by someone else previously mentioned in this thread, I beg the question Why?