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So, saw this.... let's call it surprising, debit order notice from my bank. Looked into it, and it is this subscription for Rouvy. Now, a while ago some enterprising entity took some money out of my CC account, from an old canceled card I'll have you know, I suspect inside job at the bank, but, since then, I do most of the transactions, especially online, with the virtual card, it changes the CVV every month... so anual subscriptions, welcome to scrutiny. This debit order kept failing because of the VC. No biggie, I like Rouvy, use it often enough, so quick log in to update the payment and!!! FWT!!! How, in all the glory of all things Greta Tunder McNuggets did this become so expensive? I'm not sure if I want to cry, or visit the whiskey, and then cry! Wow. Euro creep is really a thing..

Good point regarding the safety issue. There used to be a virtual racing thread before Zwift took over, I think it got lost in a bikehub data base crash some years ago. Zwift, Rouvy, other similar platforms and some cheaters also contributed to killing it dead 🤪

I think it depends on what you want to use it for. It works in ERG mode for all apps and then there is some support on other apps like Rouvy. There also seems to be a mobile app called QZ that allows you to control the cog which is a pretty neat solution but I don’t have one, so can’t test it.

BIG FulGaz supporter (same company as Rouvy). Rouvy purchased FulGaz - and gave notice it is being shut down/merged with Rouvy. HUGE outcry from the public and for now FulGaz stays and is being enhanced. Sure it does not have a ton of bells and whistles than maybe Zwift, Rouvy or even Whoosh. But I would carefully assume that 90% of users do not care about these fancy bells and whistles. They want a nice ride, great video (FulGaz = 4k, Rouvy = 2k I think) and smooth interface. FulGaz ticks all the boxes, and it is much cheaper than Rouvy. Their route library is HUUUUUGE and cater to all needs!

I canceled my Rouvy subscription yesterday...

I guess what would help is to have a starting point where you were at in terms of the pricing and then where it's at at this point. I personally find Fulgaz better than Rouvy and they bought them not too long ago (Rouvy bought Fulgaz).

Thanks for the replies so far! Rouvy's duo membership does work out quite a lot cheaper than Zwift.

Yup, I cancelled my Zwift and went over to Rouvy at the beginning of winter because they were so much cheaper than Zwift and then a month later they put their pricing up to close to the same as Zwift. Zwift then offered me 3 months free to get me back so I cancelled Rouvy and went back to Zwift 🤦‍♂️ Now winter is over and I've paused my Zwift, basically scored 3 months of winter training for free.

I think you can always change to a normal cassette from the Cog, if you find you don't use it or prefer a different platform. You can also get one without the Cog, and buy it later (although I see the kit is more expensive than a basic cassette?). If you don't use the Cog then depending on which cassette you have on your MTB, you could just look for a HG-compatible cassette like the SRAM NX and put it on. There are SRAM XD freehub bodies available for some trainers like the Kickrs, but that adds another R1500-ish, plus the cassette. The Zwift Click buttons don't officially work with other platforms, unofficially there are ways to make it work with others like Rouvy or TrainingPeaks Virtual, but can be buggy. Rouvy does have the option of subscriptions for multiple people. The newer options do not work out as cheap as in the past, but still better than two separate payments. All of the platforms have some form of free trial period. And currently TraningPeaks Virtual has a monthly "Free 4 All Tuesday" (which is today). Maybe there are nice specials on the Kickr Core this month, since the Kickr Core 2 has been launched.

Good morning, Has anyone recorded the Durban 70.3 bike route and then used that to incorporate into Rouvy or any other program to create a route for others to use?

Yes - IT will run with all the gaming platforms (Zwift, Rouvy, MyWhoosh) as well as Trainer Road etc etc. Connects via bluetooth or ant+ to phones, computers, tablets, smartwatches, headunits ....

Hell lots of analysis in there your questions. there are some sites you can read and look at to get answers. Have a look at DC Rainmaker and some of the bike radar reviews - they go deep down the rabbit holes as well wrt trainers, platforms etc and what each excels at, so they have done a lot of the work for you. WR Trainers. TBH the kick Core+ Zwift cog is a brilliant deal especially if you add the bike to it. Simplifies a whole raft of things around connectivity and the like wrt dedicated trainers etc. the wifi connection makes a big difference. I bought the dedicated Zwift bike about 6 months before they announced it and would happily have taken this option over the Kickr bike. WR the platforms I haven't messed much with the other training platforms like Rouvy and Trainer Road etc so cannot add too much insight to them but I am happy with Zwift. When I started it was streets ahead and its gamification and constant upgrades bring a whole new level to it - also the racing if you want to go deep down the hole. IMO there are more people on Zwift. Also google Zwiftinsider and read there wrt a lot of the questions you are asking. The Zwift ecosystem is a whole world on its own and really immersive - from a quick hour spin to a structured program for specific goals it's just getting deeper and better and its continually updated.

Hello Hubbers, I am approaching the point where I want to develop an indoor training setup at home. I have done some Googling, and read through some of the threads here. I think I have narrowed down the hardware to the KickR Core 2 with Zwift Cog, and the Garmin Tacx Flux S. I like the idea of Zwift Cog as I don't yet have a dedicated bike for the trainer, and it just seems that tiny bit easier to throw my hardtail on that and go. But then I believe I am tied in to the Zwift platform as the Cog isn't compatible with other software? I used to have a Wahoo Elemnt bike computer and I absolutely hated the Wahoo interface. Is their smart trainer platform better than their computers? The Tacx Flux S is currently going for R10 000 on Takealot. I see it comes with a cassette, though it looks geared towards road cycling. I am a casual cyclist with an MTB, and I think having a similar trainer setup to the bicycle is beneficial. Can one swap out the cassette on the Tacx? Are there any massive pros or cons to one or the other? When it comes to the software, Zwift seems to come out on top because of the community, with Rouvy next, then Trainer Road, and as a free platform, MyWhoosh. So I'd like the ability to try out each until I find what works. Do any offer dual subscriptions (my partner also cycles). Should I just get a standard KickR with cassette, and if I fall in love with the Zwift platform, get the Cog at a later stage? My goal is to get more time on the bike (I work a very varied schedule, sometimes out of the door at 4am and only home after 6pm), even if it's just 20 minutes. I want to improve my overall bike fitness, and just become a better, stronger rider. I'm hoping to pick something up on special this November. Your thoughts and personal experiences? Thanks!

I'll test again on Rouvy next week when I home again. Though my Vortex Smart only goes to 6%, maybe that's why I have not really felt this

Did a 19km, 1400m climb with Rouvy on Wednesday night...Almost gave up twice. 1h36 later and lots of sweat, I finished!

So I gave Rouvy (free) a try the other evening and loaded the R4V 2017 route. Crikey, it didn't feel realistic. I know the stretch heading out of ex-Boswell pretty well and damn I don't remember it being that difficult! So now I'm pretty hesitant to use it.

I have tried Rouvy a few times. The ride is much harder compared to the road/ zwift. Also, the incline on the Bushido smart trainer feels much harder, played around with the settings, but no improvement.

Rouvy is better value than Zwift purely for the amount of available routes esp. ones with video and the ability to add your own routes (created from scratch or taken from strava, ridewithGPS, etc); paired with a smart trainer it makes for a easy, safe training experience that, in reality, is a harder ride than doing the same ride on the road (about 10-15%) S

So I see Rouvy has announced a "Augmented Reality" addition to their platform: https://rouvy.com/en/augmented-reality Currently in private beta, but certainly looks interesting. If it works with races, it will make a nice change from chasing dots on a map I think they are sending invites for people using the Windows platform first. It will be interesting to see how well the 3D combines with the route videos, hopefully they don't take too long before sending out invites for Android or iOS users as well.

Rouvy's UI needs some work, I can't seem to filter only on HD videos, for example. But certified routes with video, over a hundred apparently. Lots of videos of climbs, probably less of flat routes. You don't have to download them prior to riding, as far as I know, although you do have the option. I have not done a comparison of the two though. Last time I tried the new Tacx app on my tablet, it didn't like the aspect ratio of the screen plus would crash far too often. Edit: Right now I'm using mainly Zwift on Android, trying to finish the Zwift Academy thing. They're a bit slow to update the Android beta, in my opinion, we'll see how it looks by the time I've finished ZA, then I might go back to mostly Rouvy.

Has anyone compared Zwift vs Tacx vs Rouvy. I understand that each app will have its strengths/weaknesses. Zwift is just "too small" and too repetitive when doing the normal routes (not workouts). If generally do 40km minimum per indoor ride and using Zwift you end up riding the same routes/road over and over and over and over again. The Zwift "world" is VERY small. I have been using Tacx for years (TTS4) and although their software (not the desktop version) is buggy their Real Life Videos appeal to me. I don't mind riding against myself. So I have spent a small fortune over the years on Tacx videos. TTS4 however now is End of Life and I thus want to switch to the new Tacx Desktop (plenty RLV's)! How does Tacx desktop RLV compare to Rouvy RLV's? Does Rouvy has a fairly large pool of HD Video Rides to choose from? Flat and Hilly options? There is no library on the website. to check what they have? Also..must you download a video before you ride (i.e. it doesn't stream)? Apologies for all the questions..

What I love about Rouvy is that the system is so versatile! I'm trying to get back into a training routine again...I don't want to follow a route until I can push the watts and do the course justice... I use Free Ride on Rouvy and then put a CTS video on the telly (kind of a sinning video). As the video changes from steady state, to climbs, to sprints, I manually change the power (resistance) with the up and down arrows (I use Apple Ipad). Really a great workout and I can adjust the power settings as i build up strength.

sorry for the highjack i tested rouvy a while ago and found it to "under read" power, is it me or or general issue with the software? edit: by under read I mean it says 200w but it feels like 400

I did a short augmented reality route today. It is a nice feature that has a lot of potential, which can add some spice to the existing routes. If I could add my wish list to the Rouvy developers: The Rouvy ghost riders should display a certain W/kg average as you pass them or they pass you.More virtual partners (ranked by time and W/kg) should be displayed to allow you to get the 'race' feel. I selected a virtual partner that dropped me within the first 5 meters, never to be seen again.The video rendering should go through a more refined buffering modeler, to reduce the twitches the rider on screen experiences. I would however suggest that Zwift users do not change to Rouvy yet, as there should still be many fixes and tweaks done before the official version is released. Once that is performed however, I suspect quite a few Watopia guys will try to test their mettle on real (augmented) climbs.