Gatfol for false advertisement

[extremelights]

The subject of lumens really pushes my more-rometer in to the red. I will be first to admit that I have made my mistakes in the past when it comes with estimating outputs of a light. And notably this year with run-times but I make a best effort and correct it later if I find out what the real values are.

 

But claiming 1200 lumen from a SSC P7 that can hardly do 600, 3800 lumen from 3 XML which at best will be 2000. 6000 lumen of a light which harldy does 1/3 is absurdity is it not?

 

Next thing is the absurdness over claims on battery capacity 12000mAh from a china pack? If you bought true Panasonic 18650 the best price you can buy it for on ebay is R100 per cell excluding postage. Assuming you buy a +1000 it is safe to say the pack should cost excluding assembly, postage and tax minimum of R600. A cheap china 8cell battery pack with capacity of 5000mAh-7000mA will cost R300 including postage and tax. Why is it ok to buy the one but claim the other?

 

At what point should the customers say no? Is there no law or body that prohibits such actions? Does no one enforce it?

 

Too some extend I understand that if you are in one country you can claim what you like in another country. But when you are based in South Africa and you advertise here surly you should be under some obligation to be within some proximity of the claim you make.

 

Lastly why are consumers so gullible to believe these claims. I can understand the general Jan-rap-en-sy-Maat in the street. But Hubbers are a but more educated I would hope. But yet the advertisements pop up and very-few even contest it. And even if some do the rest still buy regardless.

Edited August 1, 2013 by extremelights

[Hairy]

A case of wanting to believe?

[Eugene]

I wouldn't know the difference and I think most people are the same. If a seller told me something, I would have to believe it.

 

i have tried so hard to understand the difference between Watts, lumens, Lux etc, but I don't. So if a seller tells me 2000 lumens I have to believe him.

[Cav']

Thanks for shedding some light on the situation.

[PhilipV]

salig onbewus.

[schizo]

Read this article a few days ago about how companies lie to us, It's a good read

 

http://www.cracked.com/article_19485_5-outrageous-lies-companies-are-legally-allowed-to-tell-you.html

[Vetseun]

Read this article a few days ago about how companies lie to us, It's a good read

 

http://www.cracked.com/article_19485_5-outrageous-lies-companies-are-legally-allowed-to-tell-you.html

I found this very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

[Brian Fantana]

The problem with lights these days, is that those who are not technically minded, have become lumen-chasers. It is almost like wheel size :whistling: .

 

Everyone is obsessed with lumens, but forget about other very important aspects of a light, such as beam angle of the optic/lens/reflector and the colour temperature of the LED. Apart from that there are other form factors such as the housing quality, and the durability of the handlebar mount etc.

 

I will much rather use a 600 Lumen light with a colour temperature of 4000-4500K and a suitable beam angle, before I use a 2000 lumen spot beam light with 6000-7000K colour temperature.

Edited August 2, 2013 by Brian Fantana

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

You get what you pay for I'm afraid.

I bought a "1200lumen light" earlier this year. The seller was honest and said it was more like 800-900 lumen. But for the price I paid I was more than happy with the performance and gladly took it. That was for R500, should I have rather paid over R1000 for a "better" light?

It's all relative IMO, I've had my light now for over 6 months and after a lot of use it is still going. I use it for cycling, hiking and as a torch for braais and around the house all the time.

 

I feel your pain about false promises but it's not always that we the consumer are uninformed, we just have to buy what our pocket allows.

[Redlight]

To most new to lights, light is just light. And just wowed by the amount of it they are getting. Most do just 1 2hr night ride a week. So I guess they not too worried about the fact that they not quite getting everything they paid for.

Pretty much the same scenarios in the car audio game. 3000w from an amp the side of an iPad?..

We know its all bulltwat. We have an option of buying it to not.

My little underrated Exposure makes mor light than my buddies Fong-lightS.

 

At the end of the day, if you support the sale of these things, it will stay on the market.

[Redlight]

You get what you pay for I'm afraid.

I bought a "1200lumen light" earlier this year. The seller was honest and said it was more like 800-900 lumen. But for the price I paid I was more than happy with the performance and gladly took it. That was for R500, should I have rather paid over R1000 for a "better" light?

It's all relative IMO, I've had my light now for over 6 months and after a lot of use it is still going. I use it for cycling, hiking and as a torch for braais and around the house all the time.

 

I feel your pain about false promises but it's not always that we the consumer are uninformed, we just have to buy what our pocket allows.

 

Do the math. Wattage of the Cree and the voltage of the battery..........then you probably putting out about 450 lums.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

 

Wow!! If I've only got 450 lumens now then I don't see why I would ever need more because it's more than bright enough.

And thats while riding in the pitch black in the bush, might buy another one so that I can have one on the handlebar and one on my helmet for the tight switchbacks.

[Cassie]

Hannes, it more a question of the consumers not knowing any better?

when you or ANY OTHER seller makes a claim (e.g xxx lumen and YY hours battery life) how are we as buyers to know any different?

 

But I guess as soon a I have the said product in my hands and it does not perform to the claimed advert...then is a another discussion altogether!!

 

Personally - before I buy a product...I'll do some homework first and my advice to you is to make as much noise as possible and as wide as possible and I'm sure Google will aid me in making my next purchase descision.

[Kritzie]

Do a 24 hour ride with a 2000 lumen light and you will go blind lol. Brought in lights from good old China last for three hours on full beam and if you cant see wher you going then take of the dark shades. He he!!!!

 

Oh and both cost me less then R600 bucks!

[Flowta]

The subject of lumens really pushes my more-rometer in to the red. I will be first to admit that I have made my mistakes in the past when it comes with estimating outputs of a light. And notably this year with run-times but I make a best effort and correct it later if I find out what the real values are.

 

But claiming 1200 lumen from a SSC P7 that can hardly do 600, 3800 lumen from 3 XML which at best will be 2000. 6000 lumen of a light which harldy does 1/3 is absurdity is it not?

 

Next thing is the absurdness over claims on battery capacity 12000mAh from a china pack? If you bought true Panasonic 18650 the best price you can buy it for on ebay is R100 per cell excluding postage. Assuming you buy a +1000 it is safe to say the pack should cost excluding assembly, postage and tax minimum of R600. A cheap china 8cell battery pack with capacity of 5000mAh-7000mA will cost R300 including postage and tax. Why is it ok to buy the one but claim the other?

 

At what point should the customers say no? Is there no law or body that prohibits such actions? Does no one enforce it?

 

Too some extend I understand that if you are in one country you can claim what you like in another country. But when you are based in South Africa and you advertise here surly you should be under some obligation to be within some proximity of the claim you make.

 

Lastly why are consumers so gullible to believe these claims. I can understand the general Jan-rap-en-sy-Maat in the street. But Hubbers are a but more educated I would hope. But yet the advertisements pop up and very-few even contest it. And even if some do the rest still buy regardless.

 

A lot of advertisers, advertise what the manufacturer says it is or what the maximum output of the LED is.

The problem is the combined system, driver, LED, etc.

[raymakestv]

Ok. SO I don't know anything about lights but want to buy a decent one which I can ultimately use at 24hour races but not going to go crazy buying the 'best' light money can buy. I just want a decent product and yes I am trusting so if advertisers lie to me I'll probably believe them. What must I buy?

GO!