ooooo....Another stoute Vet busted with bad sweeties....

[SwissVan]

How much steak did Berto ingest?would need to be around the same amount

 

I think i eat much more chocolate than Berto eats steak

[gummibear]

I think i eat much more chocolate than Berto eats steak

 

You close to Lindt HQ

[Icycling]

Having competed against this Short guy, did you ever have any reason to doubt his recent performance? Was he performing better now than ever before, or were his gains just marginal?

 

I cannot really comment here as last year although I qualified by age to ride Vet cat 40 to 45 I choose to ride Vet cat 35 to 39. I think 1st part of the year was the only time I have ever raced against Mr Short. What I can say is at SA road champs he was really strong - I witnessed this 1st hand - I am not one just to though in the towel!

[Underachiever]

 

I partly agree with you.

Yes I would do that if I was not riding top leagues competitively.

No, I wouldn't do that is I cycled top leagues competitively.

 

I really don't see how you can inadvertently make such a 'mistake' when cycling at that level. Heck, I hear all these stories how the top athletes measure their lettuce by the bloody grams, so how much more strict are they when it comes to chemicals?

 

bad chad.

Interesting... Cycling at that level you say. Well after riding competitively in the '80's, and being a fun rider since, I returned to "competitive" cycling riding Vets during the last few races, and getting pretty decent results. Not a huge difference between AL bunch (fun riders) and VB to be honest. I'm old school, riding on Hammer/Water/Coke and banana's, so I am clean. I can assure you I don't weigh my lettuce nor my food. I eat a lot of choccies and drink lots of wine. And I don't check if my anti-histamine pills were contaminated with whatever when it was dispensed or packaged.

[SeanMort]

If so then they are not short of talent.

Not related to Devin or his father Terence Shortt as far as I know

[RocknRolla]

Not related to Devin or his father Terence Shortt as far as I know

 

the sheriffs observation falls short...

[shadowchaser-d]

I have raced against Chad and had a few drinks with him after DC last year and found him to be a most pleasant and humble person. He raced 30-39 the last 2 years and only moved up to 40-49 this year. He was always one of the main contenders in the races and loved getting into breaks, normally making them stick to avoid bunch sprints. Two of my team mates loved racing with him as he never missed a turn on the front, was determined to drive the breaks and was the first to congratulate you if you beat him. I obviously don't know all that went on with him but he was/is dedicated to his training and always watching his diet, so he put in the hard work to achieve the results. I honestly don't believe he needed "assistance" and now unfortunately for him, his results and pedigree on the bike will always be questioned. He was perhaps looking for that "edge" and now has to pay the price for it.

[Wyatt Earp]

Not related to Devin or his father Terence Shortt as far as I know

 

My apologies, very short sighted from my side.

[RocknRolla]

My apologies, very short sighted from my side.

 

Made short work of that apology.

[Wyatt Earp]

Made short work of that apology.

 

Well, I was being held by the short and curly's .

[Andymann]

I have a mate who was trying to raise funds for Chad to attend the 2014 World Champs as he was short of R25k.

 

I wonder how those who contributed feel now!

Probably a bit short-changed

[Moses Venceslau]

Having read all the ranting and raving about Chad Short,

the saddest thing about the whole story around Chad is that the product he took was Evox 3DT, which could be purchased at Game, Dis-Chem and other leading pharmacies. As much as I don’t like cheats, but this is the scariest thing that has hit home, it’s not that I have taken this product. We all want to perform at the top level of our sports, so when someone recommends something to you, be wary and investigate what you are buying and consuming, as lots of things have changed in the industry. I feel that there is no proper regulation in the supplements industry. It’s no excuse that Chad had to get caught for this and people having been hurt and lost podium positions, as most of you have mentioned. Read labels carefully and investigate the ingredients of the product you buying, as Methylhexaneamine (1, 3-dimethylamylamine) has about 10 different names

Here are the most common names (synonyms) that we have seen if you come across any of these names in an ingredients list, I advise you to not consume.

1, 3-dimethylamylamine (Most common – This is updated from the September blog)

· Geranium oil extract

· Geranuim oil

· Geranium extract

· Geranamine (trademarked by Proviant Technologies)

· Methylhexanamine

· DMAA

· Forthane

· Forthan

· Floradrene

· 4-methyl-2-hexanamine

· 4-Methylhexan-2-amine

· 2-amino-4-methylhexane

· 2-hexanamine, 4-methyl-

· 2-hexanamine, 4-methyl- (9CI)

· 1,3-dimethylamylamine

· 1,3-dimethylpentylamine

· Pentylamine, 1, 3-dimethyl-

 

 

See how easy it is to buy it, click on link.

http://www.pricecheck.co.za/offers/34076686/Evox+3DT-125g/

 

See how easy it is to buy it, click on link.

http://www.evox.co.za/siteimgs/Nutri-info/3DT-Table.jpg

 

See how easy it is to buy it, click on link.

https://supplementsforwomen.co.za/shop/evox-3dt/

 

Good Read

 

Noakes: Drug disappears fast

Stephen Nell

 

Edinburgh – The chances of more positive tests for banned substances on the Springbok tour appear to be extremely slim.

 

Positive tests returned by Chiliboy Ralepelle and Bjorn Basson for the stimulant methylhexaneamine prompted fears that the entire tour squad may be in danger of testing positive.

 

But well-known sports scientist Prof. Tim Noakes said on Tuesday that methylhexaneamine disappears from someone’s system within “24 to 36 hours”.

 

The Springbok camp also confirmed on Tuesday that all supplements had been given the red card for now.

 

If it is a supplement used by the team that was responsible for the positive tests returned by Ralepelle and Basson, it’s highly unlikely that it will still be in the system of other players come the next batch of tests after Saturday’s Test against Scotland at Murrayfield.

 

Ralepelle and Basson were tested after South Africa’s 23-21 win over Ireland in Dublin, however no tests were conducted after the weekend’s match against Wales in Cardiff.

 

Noakes also does not believe that Ralepelle and Basson could have gained any advantage from the use of methylhexaneamine and views the entire matter as a storm in a teacup.

 

“This is not a doping incident. It’s an incident of inadvertent use through medication of a supplement. To call these guys dopers would be unfair. You can’t label someone a crook if he’s not one,” said Prof Noakes.

 

“Doping agencies have to make a fuss every so often. In this case it’s doing harm.”

 

“Let’s focus on what is important. Let’s find the steroid-users.”

 

Noakes thinks it’s ridiculous to even look at the Ralepelle-Basson issue as a doping matter.

 

“It’s not doping. It’s an adverse chemical reaction.”

 

He added that there are few supplements that really offer any significant value and in the recent past a medical committee recommended to the South African Rugby Union that supplements should rather not be used by players.

 

“The contamination only has to be trivial for a positive test to be returned.”

 

Meanwhile, the Springbok team has closed the chapter on the issue and no longer wants to discuss it.

 

“The process is still continuing and we have sent some of our stuff to be tested. We don’t want another incident. We dealt with the issue fully on Monday, have moved on and are now focusing on Saturday,” said Springbok coach Peter de Villiers.

 

“We are professional and know how to handle tough situations. The team is looking forward to playing at Murrayfield.”

 

South African captain Victor Matfield was also not in the mood to continue talking about the issue.

 

“We dealt with the issue on Monday ... Of course it’s difficult two lose two of your mates, but we still have work to do. We want to move forward,” said Matfield.

 

“There are goals that we would like to achieve on this tour. We’re still not happy with the way we have played. We have won two games, but there is still a lot of hard work ahead of us. That is what we’re focusing on.”

 

Ralepelle and Basson were both treated for flu in the build-up to the test against Ireland, but Noakes doubts any product prescribed by team doctor Craig Roberts would have been to blame for them returning positive tests.

 

“Dr. Roberts has years of experience as a team doctor. He would not have anything with him that is banned.”

 

Meanwhile the South African Rugby Players Association (SARPA) has said that they will help ensure that the players get the best legal representation and assistance.

 

“The positive tests by Chili and Bjorn is a major source of concern for SARPA. The association already have the necessary processes in place to ensure that the players get the best legal representation and assistance,” said SARPA chief executive Piet Heymans.

 

“It is now of critical interest that everything possible is done to gain all information and take steps to ensure that our two members get a fair hearing.

 

“The players also have access to a 24-hour helpline that can provide them with support, advice and assistance if they need it during this difficult time.

 

“Not only does the incident again place the spotlight on the manufacturers of these products, but consideration will also have to be given to getting written undertakings and guarantees from the manufacturers before professional rugby players use these products.”

 

• Click here to read the full article

 

 

At the end of the day, be careful out there.

[RocknRolla]

short of asking your money back, what does one do?

[Moses Venceslau]

I have raced against Chad and had a few drinks with him after DC last year and found him to be a most pleasant and humble person. He raced 30-39 the last 2 years and only moved up to 40-49 this year. He was always one of the main contenders in the races and loved getting into breaks, normally making them stick to avoid bunch sprints. Two of my team mates loved racing with him as he never missed a turn on the front, was determined to drive the breaks and was the first to congratulate you if you beat him. I obviously don't know all that went on with him but he was/is dedicated to his training and always watching his diet, so he put in the hard work to achieve the results. I honestly don't believe he needed "assistance" and now unfortunately for him, his results and pedigree on the bike will always be questioned. He was perhaps looking for that "edge" and now has to pay the price for it.

 

Read above

Edited September 11, 2014 by Moses Venceslau

[Wyatt Earp]

Read above

 

Ok, and then ?

[ThePubSA]

Thought this was a thread about vetseun on a chocolate run to the quickshop