gtr1 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 It's interesting that PPA took CSA to court to not have their events sanctioned and won. Now all the PPA supporters demand that CSA sanction their event ????????????
Barker Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 I think it comes down your freedom of choice being taken away from you. If you belong CSA you are not allowed to do fun rides. You are either a sportsman or not. You can not do a fun ride with your family if you are a sportsman. Sounds like bull to me. The constitution says that no one can be forced to be associated with an organisation (or something like that) but what is happening here is that the organisation you are willingly belonging to is taking away your freedom of choice by having rules... And i don't think that is something the constitution covers.
TALUS Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Tell me again - why is it important that the Pro's ride this? We are frequently reminded that is a easy race and that is really a fun ride. How many paying customers will stay away if the Pro's don't ride?
Omar Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Do yourself a favour and look who are the trustees of the CTCTT - you might find the list have a distinct PPA flavour...ppa/ctctt - set up by people who are too clever for their own safety. a trust is not a sports body so it cant fall under the dept of sport or the national sports. clever hey
Dazshell Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Just in time for CTCT! Reintroduction of UCI Rule 1.2.019 - Forbidden Races17 February 2015 – Cycling South Africa would like to bring to the attention of all our licenced cyclists that the UCI rule 1.2.019 pertaining to Forbidden races is no longer suspended and has been amended and reintroduced into the UCI rules for the General Organisation of Cycling as a Sport (please click here for the UCI rules http://www.cyclingsa.com/s/20150216_1-GEN-20150101-E_English.pdf).This UCI rule prohibits licence holders from participating in any event that has not been included on the national, continental or the UCI’s world calendar or in an event that has not been recognised by the National Federation, the continental confederation or the UCI.As an affiliate of the UCI, Cycling South Africa is obliged to conform to their rules and regulations.Any cycling event that is not listed on Cycling South Africa’s calendar is considered as non-sanctioned and licensed riders participating in such events will be in violation of rule the UCI rule 1.2.019 pertaining to Forbidden races.All licensed and professional riders must make note of this as well as with the penalties referred to in rule 1.2.021.Forbidden races1.2.019 No licence holder may participate in an event that has not been included on a national, continental or world calendar or that has not been recognised by a national federation, a continental confederation or the UCI.Depending on the circumstances, a national federation and the UCI may grant special exceptions for particular races or events run in its own country.Particular races or events may consist of:Events organised occasionally only and which do not belong to the organised sports movement;Events whose format is not covered by the UCI regulations.Any national federation intending to grant a special exception must submit its reasoned request to the UCI administration in the beginning of the season and at least two months before the respective event. The decision of the UCI in this respect is final and shall not be subject to appeal.1.2.020 Licence holders may not participate in activities organised by a national federation that has been suspended, save in application of article 18.2 of the UCI constitution.1.2.021 Breaches of articles 1.2.019 or 1.2.020 shall render the licence holder liable to one month's suspension and a fine of CHF 50 to 100.ENDS
avatar Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Hahahahahahahaha, firstly I would like to see them enforce it, and secondly I hope they screw PPA over and over and over again!
clivem Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Surely putting SA on the cycling map and basically portraying SA and cycling here in a good light for tourism, etc, etc should supersede all/any of these greedy egos.
GoLefty!! Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Hahahahahahahaha, firstly I would like to see them enforce it, and secondly I hope they screw PPA over and over and over again! You have no idea what that means.
droo Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Tell me again - why is it important that the Pro's ride this? We are frequently reminded that is a easy race and that is really a fun ride. How many paying customers will stay away if the Pro's don't ride? So because you're a licensed rider you should stay home for the biggest timed ride in the world because of some petty BS between two organisations who claim to want to promote cycling? What if you want to ride at the back with your wife or your kid for fun? Too much of ego and money involved by the sounds of it, with no winners at the end of it.
Fly2High Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 So because you're a licensed rider you should stay home for the biggest timed ride in the world because of some petty BS between two organisations who claim to want to promote cycling? What if you want to ride at the back with your wife or your kid for fun? Too much of ego and money involved by the sounds of it, with no winners at the end of it.Taken from the PPA AGM document, PPA is an events company and use cycling to make money. Everything they do is to ensure they make more money from the events . PPA is only different from other events companies in that they hire out their "expertise" to clubs, schools, etc to ensure a cycling event can be held. PPA strategy for the next yearDuring the last year, the Executive Committee met several times to specifically discuss the way forward for PPA and to set some clear goals for the immediate future. One of the outcomes of the strategy sessions was to find new premises so that we can expand our staff complement. Our current focus is primarily on events management and facilitation which we do brilliantly, as this past Sunday’s new PPA mountain bike event at Grabouw testifies to. I believe feedback on ‘The Hub’ even called our new Elgin Valley MTB “the new benchmark for one-day events in the Western Cape”. High praise indeed.Our current staff complement can do only so much and if we want to do more for the rights of cyclists and focus more on lobbying, we need more staff. For that we need more office space.
gogo@ Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 This has only been introduced recently. I've been involved (through our club) in a small local race on the East Rand raising funds for a school for the last couple of years. We've always had it sanctioned by CSA even though it's a fun ride, but we've had to get risks cover ourselves. In addition you have to get permission from the local authorities to organize any kind of event. Last year we employed a Safety Officer because there's just no way anybody not working with it routinely would be able to get past all the red tape and finicky detail. In all the years CSA has never added any value IMO...My experience has been very similar... and this is the point for me: you cannot have a fun ride of more than 20km without being forced to get CSA sanctioning. And that means you have to PAY to have their commissaires at your event - petrol, accommodation, daily fee. This is besides also having to pay an annual club affiliation fee to the provincial body, and carry your own event insurance. Cycling clubs organising events are CSA's cash cows but get VERY little in return. CSA takes it's day licenses which we collect from the 90% of 'fun' riders who do our events but there's not much that comes back to either the club or those riders.CSA is a different animal from the PPA and we need both, nationally. They should be working together - and the agreement that paved the way for a unified cycling body foresaw this - but SOMEBODY decided to go after PPA's money and shoulder them out of CSA altogether. Have a look at CSA's finances and you'll see something is not right there.From my little pothole, I dearly wish we could have one authority that could look to growing cycling in all it's forms across the country, not just looking at elites. And could do at least a little towards improving road safety and the conditions under which everyone cycles.
dev null Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Imagine the funding CSA could do with all the licence funds collected from CTCT entrants. . Imagine that they could even cover costs for our guys going to worlds or olympics, or even actually start developing youth programs. [emoji12] They didn't do it when they were getting CSA Day Licence Fees from every Argus rider in the past. Who says they will in future if they do again get that CSA Day Licence Fee?
Spinnekop Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 It's interesting that PPA took CSA to court to not have their events sanctioned and won. Now all the PPA supporters demand that CSA sanction their event ???????????? PPA supporters?Nope......CTCT supporters. There is a difference. I want NOTHING to do with PPA.I just want to ride the CTCT without any trouble seeing that I have already booked flights, accommodation etc. in order to enjoy one day of cycling in this beautiful part of the world.
BDF Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 There is plenty of opinion on this long standing tiff between PPA and CSA. At the end of the day, both organisations have a measure of power in that one hosts the worlds largest timed road race (and also appears to have bucket loads of money) while the other is the UCI recognized local body for cycling. I find it sad that both seem to waste their time and money fighting with each other and in the process they compromise the very reason for their existence - the cyclists! It would be great for the respective leaderships to stop the "my stick is bigger than yours" nonsense and act out their respective mandates IN THE INTERESTS OF THE CYCLISTS who are the reason they exist. Come on guys. We live in a country where one of the greatest negotiated settlements lead to a peaceful transition of an entire country but we cant even solve differences between to cycling bodies. Quite time now to sort this out. Rant over...
Spinnekop Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Tell me again - why is it important that the Pro's ride this? We are frequently reminded that is a easy race and that is really a fun ride. How many paying customers will stay away if the Pro's don't ride?It is not just "Pro" riders.....It is all the licensed categories. There is a difference.But you most likely do not care.Me, of one, fall under this where I have fun racing with my peers and to do so I need to license but now I am not allowed to ride a race/funride because CSA and CTCT does not see eye to eye with regards to money? Sorry....not on for me
HappyMartin Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 No Cav and Renshaw is the disapointing thing for me. Sorry about that. Seems unlikely the UCI have decided to invoke this rule simply because of the CTCT as some seem to suggest. As big as the CTCT is I'm pretty sure the UCI has bigger fish to fry and bigger races to think about. The European Spring classics for example and the three Grand Tours. In the big scheme of things a mass participation event in Capetown propably doesn't feature much in UCI discussions. Just wish it could be sorted out for those that want to ride the CTCT.
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