Fly2High Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 With respect, but that is just nonsense. Of course there is a risk of injury and accidents in cycling, I face that every day I ride my bicycle. I do so without CSA regulation or maintainable of standards. My license fee is tax, plan and simple. Neither I, nor the organiser of the "race" receive anything of value for it.Hop onto the CSA web site and see what benefits the license does offer you.
Skubarra Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 The Cape Town Cycle Tour is owned and organised by the Cape Town Cycle Tour Trust, not PPA. Do yourself a favour and look who are the trustees of the CTCTT - you might find the list have a distinct PPA flavour...
eddy Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Basically 90% of the licensed riders in SA has bikes below 6.8kg .Agree with everything you say, except this. Because of the way CSA interpret the licence requirements all 20 000 riders in the 94.7 are "licensed" riders even if they ride their 16kg dual-suspension Dunlop from Makro.
Edgar Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 With respect, but that is just nonsense. Of course there is a risk of injury and accidents in cycling, I face that every day I ride my bicycle. I do so without CSA regulation or maintainable of standards. My license fee is tax, plan and simple. Neither I, nor the organiser of the "race" receive anything of value for it. Walter, you may want to check on that. There are certain aspects behind the scenes the CSA license fees cover. One being race insurance. Spinnekop, just remember to put it on STRAVA afterwards otherwise it did not happen. Further to this, why won't CTCT pay to have the non licensed section sanctioned? It sounds a little like i want my cake and your cake and eat them both. Whether we agree with either party, we should acknowledge that both parties are protecting what they see as there best interest and we the cyclists are feeling the squeeze. Both are flawed in the approach and are being disingenuous in the way the are handling this. In the unlikely event sanity prevails and both parties compromise we will benefit.
eddy Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Hop onto the CSA web site and see what benefits the license does offer you.Been there, done that. "A membership of Cycling SA costs R120 per year. A membership holder is entitled to enter any event, irrespective of discipline, without having to purchase a day license. " Thereafter it talks about exclusions and my obligations. So the only real benefit of paying the annual tax is that it entitles me not to pay a daily tax. And yes, I did see the R 20 000 medical insurance cover. As I already have medical cover way in excess of that, it is of no value to me.
HOEKVLAG Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Walter, you may want to check on that. There are certain aspects behind the scenes the CSA license fees cover. One being race insurance. This has only been introduced recently. I've been involved (through our club) in a small local race on the East Rand raising funds for a school for the last couple of years. We've always had it sanctioned by CSA even though it's a fun ride, but we've had to get risks cover ourselves. In addition you have to get permission from the local authorities to organize any kind of event. Last year we employed a Safety Officer because there's just no way anybody not working with it routinely would be able to get past all the red tape and finicky detail. In all the years CSA has never added any value IMO...
carbon29er Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Do yourself a favour and look who are the trustees of the CTCTT - you might find the list have a distinct PPA flavour...From the CTCTT website: "The Cape Town Cycle Tour Trust (CTCTT) owns and stages the Cape Town Cycle Tour and, in doing so, carries out all day-to-day operational requirements of the annual event. Registered in December 1999, the CTCTT is served by 12 Trustees who are elected every three years. Six members are appointed by the Rotary Club of Claremont and six are from the PPA. Chairmanship of the Trust alternates between a representative from the PPA and Rotary each year, while the Chairman has to be an active Trustee. The Trust is audited annually to ensure complete transparency to all parties concerned and in keeping with its status as a Public Benefit Organisation." I am fully aware of who the trustees are. Yes, PPA does appoint half the Trustees. Factually there are 3 trustees this year who serve on both the CTCTT and PPA Exco and 3 who are completely independent of the PPA Exco. Hardly a distinct PPA flavour, as you term it. This is good corporate governance. In addition, all are volunteers and receive no benefit for serving as Trustees, other than a tiny honorarium.
Edgar Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Been there, done that. "A membership of Cycling SA costs R120 per year. A membership holder is entitled to enter any event, irrespective of discipline, without having to purchase a day license. " Thereafter it talks about exclusions and my obligations. So the only real benefit of paying the annual tax is that it entitles me not to pay a daily tax. And yes, I did see the R 20 000 medical insurance cover. As I already have medical cover way in excess of that, it is of no value to me. The insurance covers the race organisers which they would have to do on their own at considerable cost and admin.
GoLefty!! Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 The uci is corrupt, therefore by association all its affiliates and bodies sanctioned by the uci are corrupt
Skubarra Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 ....Yes, PPA does appoint half the Trustees. ...... Hardly a distinct PPA flavour, as you term it. You get the irony of putting those 2 sentences in the same paragraph? I get that technically the PPA & CCCT are 2 different entities, but I think its misleading to imply the PPA have nothing to do with the cycle tour.
Spinnekop Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Spinnekop, just remember to put it on STRAVA afterwards otherwise it did not happen. Further to this, why won't CTCT pay to have the non licensed section sanctioned? It sounds a little like i want my cake and your cake and eat them both. Well....it is a very basic thing when it comes to business. Show me the value and I'll pay.Clearly CTCT sees NO value add and thus don't want to pay CSA. Last time I heard it was R10 per rider. R350 000 payment for almost no value? Bunch of tannies and ooms running in the Vets and Elite batches checking for race numbers on your bike? The rest has all been sorted by CTCT......Would you pay it?
Spinnekop Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 The insurance covers the race organisers which they would have to do on their own at considerable cost and admin. You think the lawyers at CTCT did not think about that risk and already have taken the necessary steps to do so themselves?
Tubehunter Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Walter, you may want to check on that. There are certain aspects behind the scenes the CSA license fees cover. One being race insurance. Spinnekop, just remember to put it on STRAVA afterwards otherwise it did not happen. Further to this, why won't CTCT pay to have the non licensed section sanctioned? It sounds a little like i want my cake and your cake and eat them both. Whether we agree with either party, we should acknowledge that both parties are protecting what they see as there best interest and we the cyclists are feeling the squeeze. Both are flawed in the approach and are being disingenuous in the way the are handling this. In the unlikely event sanity prevails and both parties compromise we will benefit. Damn, here I go... No problem Edgar, I'll be prepared to pay for CSA when a commissaire from CSA marshalls and follows the group I am cycling the Argus in around, checking and maintaining the safety of myself and all the other riders around me. Oh wait, they only do that for the Invitational group at the front... OK, I'll settle for some CSA marshalls then assisting with safety concerns at tricky intersections that could be accident hotspots. Ooops, none there either? These are only involved in sweeping ahead of the race group in the Invitational bunch? Nought, so what do I get for paying them exactly? Aaah it's like a cycling tax of sorts, because I own a bike and choose to race it somewhere in South Africa and they then collect all these fees and do what exactly with it? Wow, what a marvellous shining example of public opinion they have in the way they manage their books. Yes please, let me contribute.... NOT!
Wez-O Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 So in a nutshell, what does this ruling mean to cyclists racing Elite, VA, VB ect?
carbon29er Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Well....it is a very basic thing when it comes to business. Show me the value and I'll pay.Clearly CTCT sees NO value add and thus don't want to pay CSA. Last time I heard it was R10 per rider. R350 000 payment for almost no value? Bunch of tannies and ooms running in the Vets and Elite batches checking for race numbers on your bike? The rest has all been sorted by CTCT......Would you pay it?You miss the bigger component: the R35 day licence fee for the majority of the 35,000 riders... In reality CSA does provide the commissaires for the racing bunches, in this case the Elite Men and Women, to oversea race safety and rules. Without these guys the pros would no doubt take massive risks in the sprints with impunity. I believe it was always agreed that this part of the race would be sanctioned. It is quite common for only the racing bunches to be sanctioned, take Ride London as an example.
gtr1 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 The uci is corrupt, therefore by association all its affiliates and bodies sanctioned by the uci are corruptSo then a good reason for PPA to affiliate to them as suggested in other posts.
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