Maj Posted August 9, 2015 Posted August 9, 2015 I'm a Capetonian living in Botswana. I missed out on doing the Argus as I only started cycling last year so my first time was the cycle tour solidarity ride. I was SO glad is was shortened because I didn't train as hard as I should have, so 47km on a Sunday morning around my home town was great. I got online as soon as I heard entries were open, stayed online for an hour and got my bookings in. Hooray! Bottom line: change is the only constant. And where people are reluctant to think too hard, they follow trends. I don't care. I will submit my application or whatever every year (as long as I can afford it), in whatever way i'm required to. If I get in, great. If I don't, subs or try again the next year. DJR, gogo@ and raptor-22 3
boblican Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 What about a hub wide CTCT boycott?? Or a slow strike...... I would really feel better if there were any way that they could assure me that my wife, father and I would get places with this stupid system. I do like the race, and I will fork out the R470 if we are lucky enough to get chosen. If you look at the corruption stats in the country, I wonder who will need a bit of "$$$$$ motivation" to ensure a place in the race. And they will almost certainly built in some kind of BBBBEEEEE system into the lucky draw.Uncalled for [emoji20] Hilton., Long Wheel Base and raptor-22 3
boblican Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Guys i kind of have a issue with promoting the long time riders 20+ years. I mean wont that be the excuse of every year. How will we build future 20+ year riders if preferences have to be given to certain group? Its unfortunate that it has come to a lotto system but favouritism wont do justice to future or upcoming riders...my 2cent opinion
raptor-22 Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 How many 10+ and 21+ riders do you think there are?Maybe 5000 tops?5000 Ppa member slots. Still leaves 25000 slots. There's plenty for newbies. There is also likely a weighting for people who ride more fun rides. I'd rather ride a mass start event with experienced riders than start in G with a group of spin class professionals with no bike handling skills HBO, Long Wheel Base, Pure Savage and 4 others 7
urbanroyal Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 How many 10+ and 21+ riders do you think there are?Maybe 5000 tops?5000 Ppa member slots. Still leaves 25000 slots. There's plenty for newbies. There is also likely a weighting for people who ride more fun rides. I'd rather ride a mass start event with experienced riders than start in G with a group of spin class professionals with no bike handling skillsOf the 25000 left ..how is going to charities....?
Skubarra Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 How many 10+ and 21+ riders do you think there are?Maybe 5000 tops?5000 Ppa member slots.Still leaves 25000 slots. There's plenty for newbies. There is also likely a weighting for people who ride more fun rides. I'd rather ride a mass start event with experienced riders than start in G with a group of spin class professionals with no bike handling skills Just an observation There are 15332 people who rode 10+ tours, obviously not all of them would still be active but guaranteeing everybody who did 10 or more tours a spot + 5000 ppa members + the charity entries won't leave as many open spots for the rest as you might think I started out not being particularly positive about this ballot system, but the organisors do have a problem - what do you do when demand outstrips supply? - and it's going to get worse. I see a lot of bitching on here but not a lot of alternative solutions. I'm sure I'll find a way to be on the starting line early March, even if I miss out on the whole lotto thing. Long Wheel Base, Capricorn and DJR 3
Li Mu Bai Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Just an observation sniiip I'm sure I'll find a way to be on the starting line early March, even if I miss out on the whole lotto thing. Exactly. you can be sure there will be a huge contingent of rogue riders who didnt make the BS lottery, save themselve R500 and decide to rock up and join in a km or two down the road for the experience...(probably happens to a small degree anyway...)
raptor-22 Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Just an observation There are 15332 people who rode 10+ tours, obviously not all of them would still be active but guaranteeing everybody who did 10 or more tours a spot + 5000 ppa members + the charity entries won't leave as many open spots for the rest as you might think I started out not being particularly positive about this ballot system, but the organisors do have a problem - what do you do when demand outstrips supply? - and it's going to get worse. I see a lot of bitching on here but not a lot of alternative solutions. I'm sure I'll find a way to be on the starting line early March, even if I miss out on the whole lotto thing. Interesting stat! may I ask where you found it? I wasn't aware there are that many 10+ tour finishers
Capricorn Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Just an observation There are 15332 people who rode 10+ tours, obviously not all of them would still be active but guaranteeing everybody who did 10 or more tours a spot + 5000 ppa members + the charity entries won't leave as many open spots for the rest as you might think I started out not being particularly positive about this ballot system, but the organisors do have a problem - what do you do when demand outstrips supply? - and it's going to get worse. I see a lot of bitching on here but not a lot of alternative solutions. I'm sure I'll find a way to be on the starting line early March, even if I miss out on the whole lotto thing. This.
Skubarra Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Interesting stat! may I ask where you found it? I wasn't aware there are that many 10+ tour finishers http://results.cycletour.co.za/viplog.aspx?sid=1 raptor-22 1
DJR Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 Well, just to hedge my bets a little bit, I have renewed my PPA membership, and that of my family as well. We will ride the PPA races anyway and I'm pretty sure we'll get Argus entries, if we don't, we'll buy charity entries as we like the idea of supporting a good cause anyway. See you there. Bloukrans and Long Wheel Base 2
dev null Posted August 10, 2015 Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) So, why must I renew my PPA membership if I am not even guaranteed an entry? Sorry, but I will attempt the lottery come September, and if both my son and I do not get an entry, I will just let go of next year's race then. Would then rather do the smaller road races with my son. Will definitely skip on the Stellies Tour also, since I am sure that one will also be priced close to R400. And that I will refuse to pay for a race with no full road closure. Edited August 10, 2015 by Moridin
colsellka Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I've canned my PPA membership this year (it did nothing for me) so I guess I'm in the pool with all the other plebs this year. I was looking forward to the keyboard battle though... Am I the only one that thinks that R470 to go around the peninsula is a bit ridiculous? I enjoy going into the Nedbank tent after the race, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. R4.31 per kilometer...Rather selfish view - the PPA is about bigger things such as Safe Cycling Campaigning and as per their site... While the largest portion of your membership fees are used to run the Association, any remaining funds are used to fund worthwhile cycling projects, from lobbying for cycle paths to assisting riders from previously disadvantaged areas and creating new MTB paths, so in a small way every member assists the Association to ‘put back’ into cycling.
Shebeen Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Guys i kind of have a issue with promoting the long time riders 20+ years. I mean wont that be the excuse of every year. How will we build future 20+ year riders if preferences have to be given to certain group? Its unfortunate that it has come to a lotto system but favouritism wont do justice to future or upcoming riders...my 2cent opinionag shame - so you're going to say the guy who has done 20 of them shouldn't get a preference to ride? Really, you wouldn't support the loyalty of your best supporters, that's pretty much why they started the club21 - celebrate the okes who did that many and spur people to aim for that many finishes. but just incase you think it's lank unfair - go check out the webpage/ viplog - http://results.cycletour.co.za/viplog.aspx?sid=1there's 1628 guys who've done 20 or more tours. EVER.now a certain amount of those okes will have moved on and won't be riding this year, but even if you gave them all a slot - then there's 38372 positions for the rest of the guys to get in. (btw there's 12 284 okes who've done 10 or more, and 124 645 who've completed just one). raptor-22 and Long Wheel Base 2
Wannabe Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I'm doing number 14 next year, will be mighty pissed if I don't get an entry "because you've ridden so many before" Long Wheel Base 1
Bloukrans Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I have done one and a half so far! I'm a PPA member and hope to get an entry!
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