Yolande de Villiers sanctioned for anti-doping rule violation

[CogitoErgoSum]

Can you clarify what you mean in the last part?

Intention.....

 

Again, I am not justifying anyone's behaviour. She was aware of possible interference of the meds if samples were to be taken. The process/system behind obtaining TUE seems to be badly managed, whether intentionally or unintentionally, by dr's, by CSA, by SAIDS.

 

What the real intentions were for her, for Croesser, for Evans - no one will know. If the UCI really wants to clean up cycling, all parties involved should improve their act

[DJR]

................... If the UCI really wants to clean up cycling, all parties involved should improve their act

Agreed, starting with the cyclists themselves breaking the toxic code of silence and ratting out the dirty ones and the helpers!

[Edition 507]

There are other ways to control high blood pressure besides diuretics. Really awful coincidence that the meds used by this top cyclist are on the WADA banned list. Guilty or really f**ken stupid are the only two conclusions I can come to.

[CogitoErgoSum]

There are other ways to control high blood pressure besides diuretics. Really awful coincidence that the meds used by this top cyclist are on the WADA banned list. Guilty or really f**ken stupid are the only two conclusions I can come to.

Top sports people rarely has high blood pressure. A lowered resting HR normally means low blood pressure. But I am no dr.

 

I don't understand either the reasoning behind taking a diuretic for water retention when you cycle. I sweat like a pig when I ride. A diuretic will place increased demands on the liver and kidneys.

[Andrew Steer]

Apparently Yolande has been on these blood pressure meds for 4 years... and has been declaring the use of it for 4 years. Might explain the very lenient sentencing? Might explain the lack of transparency from SAIDS...

 

Starting to sound a bit like some administrative failure, regardless of what led us to this outcome...

 

Options: She's been allowed to use her blood pressure meds for three years, but not the fourth year?

She's never been allowed to use them and it took 3/4 years for the penny to drop with SAIDS?

This is just a little spin doctoring to save some face?

 

It's hard to know what is actually going on when there is no transparency, no accountability... we're always left fumbling around in the dark looking for the truth.

[Edition 507]

Top sports people rarely has high blood pressure. A lowered resting HR normally means low blood pressure. But I am no dr.

 

I don't understand either the reasoning behind taking a diuretic for water retention when you cycle. I sweat like a pig when I ride. A diuretic will place increased demands on the liver and kidneys.

You are absolutely correct! I am no doctor either but it seems logical that diuretics and meds like beta blockers would negatively impact physical performance.

So I google it and guess what: "Exercise performance is impaired when an individual is dehydrated by as little as 2% of body weight. Losses in excess of 5% of body weight can decrease the capacity for work by about 30% (Armstrong et al. 1985; Craig and Cummings 1966; Maughan 1991; Sawka and Pandolf 1990)."

[Tumbleweed]

This is just a little spin doctoring to save some face?

 

 

 

Saying nothing at all has everyone in a spin. 

[raptor-22]

Apparently Yolande has been on these blood pressure meds for 4 years... and has been declaring the use of it for 4 years. Might explain the very lenient sentencing? Might explain the lack of transparency from SAIDS...

 

Starting to sound a bit like some administrative failure, regardless of what led us to this outcome...

 

Options: She's been allowed to use her blood pressure meds for three years, but not the fourth year?

She's never been allowed to use them and it took 3/4 years for the penny to drop with SAIDS?

This is just a little spin doctoring to save some face?

 

It's hard to know what is actually going on when there is no transparency, no accountability... we're always left fumbling around in the dark looking for the truth.

 

World is not black and white huh? Do you think it's fair to receive a lifetime ban for someone else's bungle?

[eddy]

You are absolutely correct! I am no doctor either but it seems logical that diuretics and meds like beta blockers would negatively impact physical performance.

So I google it and guess what: "Exercise performance is impaired when an individual is dehydrated by as little as 2% of body weight. Losses in excess of 5% of body weight can decrease the capacity for work by about 30% (Armstrong et al. 1985; Craig and Cummings 1966; Maughan 1991; Sawka and Pandolf 1990)."

 

Not saying it happened in YdeV's case but :

 

Google a bit more and you will find that diuretics are abused by athletes as a masking agent for performance enhancing drugs and as such have been put on the banned list.

 

Beta blockers are abused by athletes in sports where a steady hand and regular heartbeat under pressure are required. Think competition shooting or snooker.

 

There are few drugs on the list that have not been used by some skelm to try and get an unfair advantage.

[Barend de Arend]

World is not black and white huh? Do you think it's fair to receive a lifetime ban for someone else's bungle?

 

We don't know who bungled ("we" might know, but I don't.)

 

• Did Yolande know she needed a TUE?  Who was supposed to tell her?  If she's pro, she's supposed to know.
• Did she assume a TUE for year 1 was valid in year 2 and 3?
• Did she apply for the TUE, but race before she got one?
• Did she get one, but forget to present it when being tested?
• Did she get one, present it, and it wasn't deemed good enough?
• Did she get one for drug A, and the doc switched her to generic B?

[Edition 507]

Not saying it happened in YdeV's case but :

 

Google a bit more and you will find that diuretics are abused by athletes as a masking agent for performance enhancing drugs and as such have been put on the banned list.

 

Beta blockers are abused by athletes in sports where a steady hand and regular heartbeat under pressure are required. Think competition shooting or snooker.

 

There are few drugs on the list that have not been used by some skelm to try and get an unfair advantage.

Sure eddy, with you on that, I'm just saying that certain drugs have a negative impact on some sports, so you need to look at the context of the sport i.e. beta blockers and cycling is not good, but beta blockers for target shooting would be advantages. Likewise diuretics for cycling don't make sense, but in the context of a masking agent, then it does make sense.

[cat-i]

Cheaper medication means a short cut has been taken somewhere, perhaps in the blending plant or packaging plants? Risks of trace contamination higher?

 

The way I understood it is that the generic drugs are cheaper because they don't have to pay all the high development and testing fees to make sure that the product is actually working? Maybe there's a doctor or a pharmacist here who knows the process and the differences?

[the nerd]

Cheaper medication means a short cut has been taken somewhere, perhaps in the blending plant or packaging plants? Risks of trace contamination higher?

 

Nope. 

 

Patent Lapse. That is all. 

[Edgar]

World is not black and white huh? Do you think it's fair to receive a lifetime ban for someone else's bungle?

 

Raptor, do you know something the rest of us don't? if so, please fill us in. It would be nice to have some light shed on this

 

You are pretty vociferous in your defense of the athlete, which suggests you do know more than the rest of us. 

 

And in response based on what is in the public domain. 

 

The responsibility sits with the athlete, so it is their bungle. 

The UCI ban is final, meaning the athlete had the opportunity to represent their case. UCI still found against the athlete. The evidence that was presented may have lead to a reduced sentence, not in the public domain. 

 

We have not heard from the Athlete at this point. 

 

There is no comments column. Yet. 

[andydude]

You are absolutely correct! I am no doctor either but it seems logical that diuretics and meds like beta blockers would negatively impact physical performance.

So I google it and guess what: "Exercise performance is impaired when an individual is dehydrated by as little as 2% of body weight. Losses in excess of 5% of body weight can decrease the capacity for work by about 30% (Armstrong et al. 1985; Craig and Cummings 1966; Maughan 1991; Sawka and Pandolf 1990)."

 

I think that is wrong. It sounds very much like the sponsored "research" which the energy companies used to push their products. I can't find the more correct studies now, but here is one link to an article written by Ross Tucker (including links at the bottom) http://sportsscientists.com/2013/01/dangerous-exercise-the-hype-of-dehydration-heat-stroke/

 

"Supposedly, as little as 2% dehydration impairs performance by 10%, which is amusing because when the world’s elite marathon runners finish in 2:05, they have lost at least 2% body weight, which means they’re running two minutes slower than they would’ve done had they listened to many Gatorade advertisements and scientists sponsored to tell this “truth”. The problem is not dehydration, it’s thirst – the discomfort created by feeling thirsty is without doubt detrimental, which is why drinking ad libitium, in response to thirst, is both good enough to ensure our health and to optimize performance."

Edited February 8, 2016 by andydude

[raptor-22]

Raptor, do you know something the rest of us don't? if so, please fill us in. It would be nice to have some light shed on this

 

You are pretty vociferous in your defense of the athlete, which suggests you do know more than the rest of us. 

 

And in response based on what is in the public domain. 

 

The responsibility sits with the athlete, so it is their bungle. 

The UCI ban is final, meaning the athlete had the opportunity to represent their case. UCI still found against the athlete. The evidence that was presented may have lead to a reduced sentence, not in the public domain. 

 

We have not heard from the Athlete at this point. 

 

There is no comments column. Yet. 

 

 

 

I'm not defending anyone. I am stating that I don't trust the process