Hout Bay Incident: Do you know this cyclist?

[bikebloke]

bikebloke

 

The City and Province is pro cycling on the peninsula.

 

Small correction - it is not a 1,5m law but a 1m by-law.

 

Patch if you sprayed me with pepper spray for no valid reason you would be up for common assault.

 

isn't chappies part of the peninsula then ?

 

and ok you get .5 of a point for correcting me

[Patchelicious]

I agree with your point, but if they were stationary as claimed, then there could not have been an imminent threat from the vehicle.

Agreed. There is two points, this case and its details which will be resolved by SAPS if and when a case is made. I'm not going to comment on it as I was not there. You guys are welcome to speculate away.

 

The other which I have touched on...

[Thor Buttox]

Since when does the sex of a person using a car make them any less dangerous?

 

I was almost run over by a woman on Beyers today. If she hit me, I would just be as dead as if it was a man who hit me.... Just saying

I spent some time this week in courses for professional reasons. One of them was on our Child Protection Act and what to do when it comes to reporting suspected abuse of whatever kind. I was shocked at the gap in what I would classify as common sense actions and what is necessary to cater for the rights of all parties, and worse to protect yourself. And that is in a situation where I am sure 100% would agree on what should be done.

 

So in this situation with all the uncertainty, we have no clue unless the parties respond. Happy debating.

 

I cannot understand the use of the pepper spray, as I am not by nature a reactive person. But I am also aware that 2 of the three truly provocative situations I have been in on a bike were ladies in large cars. There is no way we can know what happened here, but I highly recommend you investigate the legal situation should you find yourself in such a situation and would classify yourself as a highly reactive person.

[Skubarra]

If she believes it was an unprovoked attack then she has a case to go to the police and lay charges... the fact that she has not raises questions?

 

 

 

So - when is she laying a charge and if not, why not?

 

 

I disagree with the narrative here that there is an obligation on the lady to lay charges and if she does not it raises questions about how guilty she is.

 

There could be loads of good reasons for not laying charges that does not involve her being guilty, and on the converse even if she did lay a charge it also doesn't imply she is innocent.

[Pikey]

Am i missing something ? We actually don't know either story in its entirety . The only thing that has been said and we not sure what is truth or not is : Guy peppered sprayed a lady in a parked car?

 

So if they or witnesses don't give us there detailed story. This is all hearsay via 3rd parties????

[porqui]

V12man

It was a non event right from the start.

 

It involved one party riding where he should not and another using a hooter (not a gun)

And one of the party over reacted.

Velly simple. Not very pleasant for motorist though.

And social media is having a field day - nothing better to do.

Friday is a day late on the hub for a change - usually it is early

The problem is when social media says that SAPS is urgently looking for this guy when they are not.

Could he make a case against anybody because of that.

Naamskending???

Never mind that he was a box!

He's the type of guy that would have climbed all over the steering wheel had he been in the car

[Harryn]

0u

[V12man]

I disagree with the narrative here that there is an obligation on the lady to lay charges and if she does not it raises questions about how guilty she is.

 

There could be loads of good reasons for not laying charges that does not involve her being guilty, and on the converse even if she did lay a charge it also doesn't imply she is innocent.

I would contend that she has a moral obligation to society to ensure that she does everything possible to make sure that the offensive behaviour is not repeated - it's not my call as to who committed what offensive behaviour - but society in general expects that the process of determining what happened and allocating blame is followed rather than avoided - otherwise the norms and values that civiised society has begin to break down, leading to anarchy and worse.

[madbradd]

Am i missing something ? We actually don't know either story in its entirety . The only thing that has been said and we not sure what is truth or not is : Guy peppered sprayed a lady in a parked car?

 

So if they or witnesses don't give us there detailed story. This is all hearsay via 3rd parties????

From the previous posts the car was stationary, but not necessarily parked.

[Pikey]

From the previous posts the car was stationary, but not necessarily parked.

ok,semantics . The car was not moving.

[Bernard Horn]

This looks like the circle at the Kronendal retirement village.This section of the M6 from the Victoria rd traffic lights to the Houtbay Saps is very narrow and should be avoided,especially during peak traffic hours.Better to use Daphne rd to get to Empire Rd from Victoria Rd.If you are going up Valley rd you will have to use this section of the M6 but remember the road over Constantia Nek is even more dangerous.

[Riaan H]

So unnecessary. It's a problem from both sides, some cyclists don't stick to the left of the road while many drivers pass way too close. Our club is very strict on riding against the shoulder specifically not to unduly annoy drivers.

 

My wife also drives a big vehicle (and also rides) and will pass as widely as possible, and have still had cyclists who weave all over the place and ride 2 abreast hurl insults at het for not causing a head on collision to give them even more space.

 

One thing's for sure, if one of them tried to pepperspray her there would be a dead cyclist.

[kosmonooit]

This incident aside:

 

How do the rights of the cyclist stand in terms of the actions of  a motorist which would have injured / killed him (or her) had they not taken avoidance action? Could they lay a charge of attempted culpable homicide or murder?

 

And I actually fear more from the consequences of the aftermath altercation of a near miss than the near miss itself. There I was going east on the Main Reef Road yesterday, pretty grim route it must be said but I write not to lament the spralling informal sector housing or sewerage flowing out on to the road nor the disappearing mine dumps.

 

Some white trash with a snor in a Snortina follows his buddy who turned in front of me coming from the other side of the road. I braked to avoid him and gave a silent curse, he stops almost dead in front of me across my path and then starts yelling and goieing me the finger. His chic remains stone faced, I carry on staring him daggers,  he slows as he drives away, I then ignore him, but no doubt he was packing a death machine which would be no match for my pepper spray,, or would not hesitate to mow me down in his moment of irrational  anger even though he was completely and utterly in the wrong and would have ridden over me had I not braked in time.

[shaper]

So what is the angenda here?? Is definitely not of an incident between a cyclist and motorist.

 

There have been niggling loose ends that i have been trying to tie up whilst thinking on my ride this morning and as nothing to do with who what when and where but to do with the OP's picture,

 

In the picture there are 2 cyclists away from the main traffic off their bikes and by the looks of it well away from anything that may put them in the way of traffic as Mr cycle lab in the background has laid his bike on the ground and is on his phone?

 

So who took the picture and was the picture taken yesterday at the time of the incident??

 

The 2 guys in the picture seem well relaxed, the guy in question is resting on his bike and Mr Cycle lab seems to be more interested in his phone than anything else going on. Surely if there was an altercation between the guy and the woman, the dude would likely be more uptight and in a more threatening posture and Mr CL would be watching and listening to what was going on rather than looking at is phone?.... anyway I will leave that for pondering further....

 

Did the lady take the pic? Assunming she was in her car, then she had the camera on zoom as you see no door or mirror and if she was as cllse as the pic looks then the rear wheel of the dude in questions bike would be under her car front wheel (which it is not).... so if she took the pic, then she was not that close to the car.... something else to ponder...

 

Now am looking at the guys and they are dressed for bad or cold weather and I had a look at a few weather sites and the weather seemed fair and good which seems to contradict to the way they are dressed... being in Joburg, cannot say for sure exactly what the conditins were like at that particular time of day, so perhaps it was or wasn't but lets assume for now that the picture was taken there and then.

 

So we have this situation, there is obviously no altercation happening when the pic was taken as dude in question has nothing in his hand like pepper spray and seems fairly relaxed and not holding his bike in a tense or possible threatening or defensive way and Mr CL in the backgroung seems only interested in his phone and doesn't even register that there is a photo being taken. So I guess you would have to assume that this picture is taken before any altercation started and any alleged pepper spray used as I think it would be pretty impossible to take a picture once you have been pepper sprayed and your eyes are streaming.... so who takes a picture of a cyclist prior to starting an argument so that it can be used in a social media hunt?.... looks like a premeditated action... which not so good for the lady taking the picture!!...again something to ponder...

 

So lets say the altercation did happen and the dude did pepper spray the lady, it would be unlikely that a pic would have been taken up that close, and if was taken by someone else then there are witnesses so no reason not to press charges. So perhaps there were no pics taken but the guy is known and as there seems to be a conflict to the weather for yesterday and what they are wearing, then perhaps the pic was lifted from elsewhere (maybe his facebook profile, who knows).... so then this asks the question, if a picture was taken from elsewhere then the identity of the guy is known... so why then the social media hunt to identify the guy?..... more to ponder...

 

There seems to be more questions than answers and more of an agenda than identifying a dude.... especially as some hubbers seem to know both the lady and the dude and can mqke reference to his character!

 

Yes we can all jump on the band waggon and seek social mob justice... but lets get all the facts before jumping on board! If he is guilty as stated, then let the law do it's job so that it does nkt happen again!

[porqui]

So what is the angenda here?? Is definitely not of an incident between a cyclist and motorist.

 

There have been niggling loose ends that i have been trying to tie up whilst thinking on my ride this morning and as nothing to do with who what when and where but to do with the OP's picture,

 

In the picture there are 2 cyclists away from the main traffic off their bikes and by the looks of it well away from anything that may put them in the way of traffic as Mr cycle lab in the background has laid his bike on the ground and is on his phone?

 

So who took the picture and was the picture taken yesterday at the time of the incident??

 

The 2 guys in the picture seem well relaxed, the guy in question is resting on his bike and Mr Cycle lab seems to be more interested in his phone than anything else going on. Surely if there was an altercation between the guy and the woman, the dude would likely be more uptight and in a more threatening posture and Mr CL would be watching and listening to what was going on rather than looking at is phone?.... anyway I will leave that for pondering further....

 

Did the lady take the pic? Assunming she was in her car, then she had the camera on zoom as you see no door or mirror and if she was as cllse as the pic looks then the rear wheel of the dude in questions bike would be under her car front wheel (which it is not).... so if she took the pic, then she was not that close to the car.... something else to ponder...

 

Now am looking at the guys and they are dressed for bad or cold weather and I had a look at a few weather sites and the weather seemed fair and good which seems to contradict to the way they are dressed... being in Joburg, cannot say for sure exactly what the conditins were like at that particular time of day, so perhaps it was or wasn't but lets assume for now that the picture was taken there and then.

 

So we have this situation, there is obviously no altercation happening when the pic was taken as dude in question has nothing in his hand like pepper spray and seems fairly relaxed and not holding his bike in a tense or possible threatening or defensive way and Mr CL in the backgroung seems only interested in his phone and doesn't even register that there is a photo being taken. So I guess you would have to assume that this picture is taken before any altercation started and any alleged pepper spray used as I think it would be pretty impossible to take a picture once you have been pepper sprayed and your eyes are streaming.... so who takes a picture of a cyclist prior to starting an argument so that it can be used in a social media hunt?.... looks like a premeditated action... which not so good for the lady taking the picture!!...again something to ponder...

 

So lets say the altercation did happen and the dude did pepper spray the lady, it would be unlikely that a pic would have been taken up that close, and if was taken by someone else then there are witnesses so no reason not to press charges. So perhaps there were no pics taken but the guy is known and as there seems to be a conflict to the weather for yesterday and what they are wearing, then perhaps the pic was lifted from elsewhere (maybe his facebook profile, who knows).... so then this asks the question, if a picture was taken from elsewhere then the identity of the guy is known... so why then the social media hunt to identify the guy?..... more to ponder...

 

There seems to be more questions than answers and more of an agenda than identifying a dude.... especially as some hubbers seem to know both the lady and the dude and can mqke reference to his character!

 

Yes we can all jump on the band waggon and seek social mob justice... but lets get all the facts before jumping on board! If he is guilty as stated, then let the law do it's job so that it does nkt happen again!

 

 

Seriously - you typed all of that - man let it go.

 

(Have you read any of my posts?)

[shaper]

Seriously - you typed all of that - man let it go.

 

(Have you read any of my posts?)

Yes I read you post and the more you say drop it, it is unlikely to happen!... it was posted in a social forum, whether dirty laundry, revenge or a legitimate complaint... it is here to be comented on!

 

You obviously know the lady as you were able to contact her and you obviously know the guy as you make reference to his character!

 

This seems more than a supposed road rage issue between a cyclist and a motorist and makes us cyclist look like the bad guys... and who knows who reads this should it pop up in a google search... and fester their hatred for cyclist further!... what might be the consequences should that hatred turn physical to cyclists!