Prince Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 So if we take a high level view of the Sky tactics for the entire race. Chris... go all out on day one to get a couple of seconds follow the wheels for the next three weeks and maybe get a few seconds here and there go into the final time trial with a lead and comfortably win the whole thing. A strategy perfectly executed. No not a Sky fan at all but they are good at what they do.
nickc Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Well in this years opening prologue, Froome was 51 s ahead of Uran. Yes, it was raining...... Also Uran was forced to change to a spare TT bike just before his start due to a UCI Ruling on his TT bike about the setup - they had previously OK`d it.
Shebeen Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 I am sure that if Atapuma and Ulissi rode with him on the last climb in an attack he could have gained another 30 to 45 seconds on Yates. Not enough, but just enough to scare Yates into riding a very nervous TT and maybe make a mistake.yup, suppose team priority put a potential stage win over an outside shot at dragging back white. and Aru must also have been wondering where lutsenko has been the past three weeks.
Shebeen Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 More detailed commentary on Uran vs Froome below. Place your bets! https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/tour-de-france-analysis-can-rigoberto-uran-take-yellow-22km-time-trial/ remember this is a short TT, and has got a weird bump in it too! http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2017/2000/PROFIL.png Uran has been the standout performer in this tour. no one gave him a shot at even top10. this might have helped him claw back some of the gains he has, as he wasn't on the radar as a threat until deep into the tour. cannondale must be stoked after some very average recent history
Fat Boab Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 remember this is a short TT, and has got a weird bump in it too! http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/TDF/2017/2000/PROFIL.png Uran has been the standout performer in this tour. no one gave him a shot at even top10. this might have helped him claw back some of the gains he has, as he wasn't on the radar as a threat until deep into the tour. cannondale must be stoked after some very average recent history So with a profile like that, and with Froome, presumably starting after Uran, who's your head vs heart shouting for?
Plentipotential Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Top 10 at the end of yesterdays stage with first time overall deficit and 2nd time deficit to stage winner after stage 1 13 km TT. 3rd row defecit behind Froome after TT stage 1 1. Froome 0 12" 02. Bardet 23" 51" 39"3. Uran 29" 1'03" 51"4. Landa 1'36" 1'08" 56"5. Aru 1'55" 52" 40"6. Martin 2'56" 49" 37"7. Yates 4'46" 37" 25"8. Mentjes 6'52" 1'12" 1'00"9. Barguil 8'22" 59" 47"10. Contador 8'32" 54" 42" I've added the third row to show the deficit behind Froome.
Pah Bear Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 He is very close to Froome, as Froome was to Wiggins when he played the support role. Sky manage the race differently to other teams and I for one think Froome was only under pressure once this year, stage 5. And then Landa did to Froome what Froome did to Wiggins, what goes round comes round. ... BMC for example had Porte but what was Roche up to? ...Don't agree with your "What goes around comes around" analogy in this case. CF like Landa was stronger on the day then the leader. CF went, then waited (ordered or what not the issue - he waited). Landa, based on interactions after went (was not given the freedom to go) so unlike CF, did not wait to support his leader. Lots said about "Could have", "Should have", and all the rest. It was so close to the finish and that ladder so steep, would it have made a difference? I think not but the idea of sticking to your leader and doing what you can is probably the overriding understanding. Once you allow guys to override that it will make black and white grey and that spells trouble. At least that IMO is how the Skyborgs roll. Landa, at 27 even younger than Porte and if he has ambitions, then it might be best to move one while CF is around. Chris at the start of the season indicated interest in The Tour and Vuelta, so take 2 big tours out of reach for fellow riders. Thus I think G's attempt at the Giro. At 31 his also already getting past sell by date. On Roche? Admired his father to no end and pretty unimpressed with Nic for ever and the day. Even at Sky he had on and off days so was glad they let him go. Was MOST surprised when BMC signed him but then what do I know.
splat Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Kwiatkowski can't be human. More machine than man me thinks Anyone else see kwiatkowski chuck his jawbreakers just a few minutes before he pulled off?That Oke is so strong right now, he gave it EVERYTHING today.Saw that.. Nice little present... He was so buggered he couldn't even consider fitting them into his helmet! This. As I was watching I thought exactly the same thing. My new secret cycling crush when he stopped and put his foot down I knew I could be like a pro.'leave it all out on the road'and'go till you blow' What a performance from him. Massive respect
s14phoenix Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 With so few top team spots available paying the top dollar the individual riders will compete for the positions. Would you not try and improve your position in the team if you where in Landa's position? Maybe he feels that Sky is not supporting his move or slide into the role as team leader. The positions are all filled at the top teams and unless he can slip onto a team as dual team leader or something he is going to be stuck with super domestique for a little while still. Froome made it clear that he wants another TDF title after this one and will continue to try win another probably until dethroned. Lets face it - at this stage Sky has the strongest GC support structure and I think almost every GC contender wants Froome's spot - hence I think Landa is trying to push for a move in there - maybe he can take Thomas' spot for the other grand tours?
Squier Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Not too clued up on roadies so help me here How stong is uran vs. froome on TT i.e. will he put time into froome at all ? In the last 12 TTs Uran and Froome rode together, Uran beat Froome 5 times. Pretty evenly matched. Anything an happen on the day.
Vetplant Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 More detailed commentary on Uran vs Froome below. Place your bets! https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/tour-de-france-analysis-can-rigoberto-uran-take-yellow-22km-time-trial/"Since 2010 they have raced 14 time trials against each other, with Uran prevailing five times, Froome on top eight times, and one tie, at the 2016 Tour de Romandie prologue" "While he lost 51 seconds to Froome in the 14km opening TT in Dusseldorf, it is difficult to know if this was due to UCI commissaires deciding five minutes before his start time that his TT handlebar position didn’t conform to the setup regulations, requiring a bike change, or to him being overly cautious on the rain-soaked course, or some combination of those factors." “When you do a TT like that, especially one as hard as that, one with so many rhythm changes, after 20 days of racing, you can pretty much leave the formbook at home.” So yes, Uran is the obvious threat come Saturday, we can only wait and see.
shaper Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Chit chat is that Landa is off the Movistar... pretty much a done deal by all accounts!
Squier Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 With so few top team spots available paying the top dollar the individual riders will compete for the positions. Would you not try and improve your position in the team if you where in Landa's position? Maybe he feels that Sky is not supporting his move or slide into the role as team leader. The positions are all filled at the top teams and unless he can slip onto a team as dual team leader or something he is going to be stuck with super domestique for a little while still. Froome made it clear that he wants another TDF title after this one and will continue to try win another probably until dethroned. Lets face it - at this stage Sky has the strongest GC support structure and I think almost every GC contender wants Froome's spot - hence I think Landa is trying to push for a move in there - maybe he can take Thomas' spot for the other grand tours? Rumour has it that Landa is off to Movistar next year.
Fat Boab Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 "Since 2010 they have raced 14 time trials against each other, with Uran prevailing five times, Froome on top eight times, and one tie, at the 2016 Tour de Romandie prologue" "While he lost 51 seconds to Froome in the 14km opening TT in Dusseldorf, it is difficult to know if this was due to UCI commissaires deciding five minutes before his start time that his TT handlebar position didn’t conform to the setup regulations, requiring a bike change, or to him being overly cautious on the rain-soaked course, or some combination of those factors." “When you do a TT like that, especially one as hard as that, one with so many rhythm changes, after 20 days of racing, you can pretty much leave the formbook at home.” So yes, Uran is the obvious threat come Saturday, we can only wait and see. Yip. My $0.02. Everyone's tired. Froome may have had more 'shelter' time with the Sky train? As ever, it'll probably come down to who wants it more? Great way to finish off a TdF!
s14phoenix Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 I think Froome's form is better than what has been made clear. A indication was the explosive attack yesterday. I think he is also being careful not to lose it all in a fall - and that I think will be the deciding factor - how carefull will he be? Going out last will be the only thing preventing that since they could give him the detail around how fast he needs to go and how much to risk - I hope it is dry so we can have a head to head without contributing factors - I believe then Froome will put time into everyone and possibly even win the TT stage.
Kranswurm Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 Rumour has it that Landa is off to Movistar next year.Not rumourAs per Velonews Several teams have offered deals to Landa, reportedly Trek-Segafredo, Astana, Movistar, and UAE-Emirates. Many see Landa moving to Movistar, where he would take over as the franchise rider from Alejandro Valverde and the possibly-exiting Quintana. In an interview with El País, Unzué did his best to walk the tightrope on Landa, only saying, “any team would be interested in a rider of his qualities.”Read more at http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/news/transfer-rumors-quintana-sky-aru-uae-sure-not_444186#j3dA3fki6DKEWrad.99
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