PPA Road Seeding Index

[etienne_jordaan]

As for Argus seeding what happened to good old fashioned A - Z and then AA - ZZ?

[C1 Fracture]

Hello everyone

 

Thanks for the updates. Somehow, I don't get notifications to the comments posted.  I have requested a listing from PPA and received something that contradicts the online ratings as displayed when you query seeding...

 

See below,...

 

GROUP Group Min: Group Max:

A 0 8

B 8 13

C 13 16

D 16 19

E 19 21.5

F 21.5 24

G 24 27

H 27 31

I 31 35

J 35 39

K 39 43

L 43 47.5

M 47.5 52

N 52 57.5

O 57.5 63

P 63 69

Q 69 75

R 75 82

S 82 90

T 90 100

U 100 112

V 112 127

X 127 170

Y-Z 170 250

 

I will continue a new discussion on the Beta values assigned by RaceTec. I would like to understand the "algorithm" better... 

Edited February 21, 2017 by C1 Fracture

[Jaco-fiets]

Yip! Im seeded A group in both road and mtb based on 1 of the stages in W2W. Not complaining but I surely don't belong in A group on the road

['Dale]

Yip! Im seeded A group in both road and mtb based on 1 of the stages in W2W. Not complaining but I surely don't belong in A group on the road

I'm the reverse

Or maybe I can sit on Platt's wheel down that singletrack ????

[Patchelicious]

Beta values, CSA funding, contents of green suitcase, things that will never be solved..... good luck on your quest.

[Skubarra]

I'm the reverse

Or maybe I can sit on Platt's wheel down that singletrack

 

Most PPA mtb funrides (not all) are dirtroadie races anyway so you'll be fine 

[dee_biker]

Maybe because you threatened to go through their numbers...there is a little bit of paranoia about when it comes to transparency.

 

Current Index: 18.93

Group Minimum:18

Group Maximum: 21

Eligibility: D

 

16.61   15.00   18.00    C

['Dale]

Most PPA mtb funrides (not all) are dirtroadie races anyway so you'll be fine

Oh okay

I'm okay on the ups

Just my gap jumps and drifting that needs some work ????

[sliktrik]

55-60,5 = N

Edited February 21, 2017 by sliktrik

[billygoat0523]

H:  30 - 34

[billygoat0523]

anyone notice a change in their ppa seeding numbers?

 

i noticed that my west coast express and CS #5 seedings has improved    but my knysna cycle tour (which is a lot harder than those two) seeding is now crappier.  they've been fudging around with finish times and betas...

[DieselnDust]

no didn't notice. I only worry about it when the CTCT comes around

[LeoKnight]

anyone notice a change in their ppa seeding numbers?

 

i noticed that my west coast express and CS #5 seedings has improved    but my knysna cycle tour (which is a lot harder than those two) seeding is now crappier.  they've been fudging around with finish times and betas...

 

Could it be that there were a number of discrepancies in certain of the riders that were fixed, which then impacted on the Beta?  

[billygoat0523]

no didn't notice. I only worry about it when the CTCT comes around

 

i like to check in early, just to make sure how hard i need to go for the next few races or if i can just hide in the pack.

[Shebeen]

seems like a good enough thread for this.

 

using the excellent donkey work done on the CTCT 2019 by Ryan here

https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/178341-event-cape-town-cycle-tour-2019/?p=3473373

I had a look see at some guys who got shot out the back of their group.

 

The 2019 event was a toughie for some, but I think it would be a tough time for someone who has cooked their seeding to stick in a bunch that they clearly don't belong in. The chance of course exists that they just went for a cruise on sunday and waited for friends or whatever.

 

people could have an inflated seeding for a few reasons:

*they cheated in a race

*a mistake on the seeding system

 

These people are now quite easy to identify. I won't publish their names, but all the data is publicly available.

 

starting from the bottom we have an elderly guy in &

I'm not sure what the requirements are to get into this Vets group(buy a racing licence?), but his best ever event was last year at the knysna mtb (medium route). A guy who has never done the CTCT in quicker than 5 hours was able to ride a 50km mtb course at an average speed of 23kmh? I'm going with ebike.

 

 

next up is a guy who also does a 5hr+ 2018 CTCT, and finds himself in 1D. he also has a career of finishes very low down the field, but seems to have done relatively well at the wolsely MTB event twice

 

finally we have a dude in 2B who just beat 6 hours in the perfect conditions of 2018. he just manages to beat the timecut this year. I think his decent seeding comes from a race he did on a tandem (so not really his fault)

Edited March 14, 2019 by juan pelota

[Jehosefat]

I had a look see at some guys who got shot out the back of their group.

 

The 2019 event was a toughie for some, but I think it would be a tough time for someone who has cooked their seeding to stick in a bunch that they clearly don't belong in. The chance of course exists that they just went for a cruise on sunday and waited for friends or whatever.

 

people could have an inflated seeding for a few reasons:

*they cheated in a race

*a mistake on the seeding system

 

These people are now quite easy to identify. I won't publish their names, but all the data is publicly available.

 

I was one of the guys who got shot out the back of my group... Stuck with them until just after Muizenberg then I got caught behind a crash and watched them disappearing into the distance/wind.

 

Spending 20 minutes sitting at the picnic spot on Chappies waiting for a bike marshal after puncturing all my spares and using all my CO2 bombs didn't help my time either   (although I did take almost 1 minute off my PB up Suikerbossie... Benefits of being well rested)