WTF CSA?

[Wil6]

That's a whole lot of responsibility for nothing. I'm assuming all meetings take place in Cape Town so this also limits somewhat the list. 

I think most meetings except the AGM is via conference call. 

[andydude]

Interesting

 

Why is the President not part of the Exec. What is his role then? And what responsibilities?

Read frosty's post for his role.

 

 

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[Frosty]

https://inthebunch.co.za/2018/05/cycling-legend-hogg-wants-to-implement-rescue-plan-at-cycling-sa/

 

Cycling legend Hogg wants to implement ‘rescue plan’ at Cycling SA

[shaper]

https://inthebunch.co.za/2018/05/cycling-legend-hogg-wants-to-implement-rescue-plan-at-cycling-sa/

 

 

Cycling legend Hogg wants to implement ‘rescue plan’ at Cycling SA

And by the sounds of it CSA are digging their heels in and carrying on their merry way..... to oblivion!

[Gen]

https://inthebunch.co.za/2018/05/cycling-legend-hogg-wants-to-implement-rescue-plan-at-cycling-sa/

Cycling legend Hogg wants to implement ‘rescue plan’ at Cycling SA

"They have run themselves into so much debt already. I do not need to hand these ideas over to a bunch of idiots who cannot even sort themselves out of a wet paper bag."

 

[emoji122]

 

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[Andrew Steer]

 

https://inthebunch.co.za/2018/05/cycling-legend-hogg-wants-to-implement-rescue-plan-at-cycling-sa/

 

Cycling legend Hogg wants to implement ‘rescue plan’ at Cycling SA

 

 

I do always enjoy the people who want to start straight up at the top of an organisation... no history of doing this, no long track record over the years of working for cycling in South Africa, nope, just pop me straight up at the top of the ranks people... because I have a secret plan.

[Napalm]

I do always enjoy the people who want to start straight up at the top of an organisation... no history of doing this, no long track record over the years of working for cycling in South Africa, nope, just pop me straight up at the top of the ranks people... because I have a secret plan.

 

Because the people with years of experience, and history of working for the CSA have been doing such a stellar job?

[Andrew Steer]

Because the people with years of experience, and history of working for the CSA have been doing such a stellar job?

Some people maybe not doing the best job, many others though quite possibly doing a great job under really tough circumstances...

 

What if most of the people who dropped CSA in this big heap of poo are long gone from the organisation?

 

I'm gonna apply for the CEO position at Steinhoff next week, worth a shout, I have a secret plan 

[Patchelicious]

Some people maybe not doing the best job, many others though quite possibly doing a great job under really tough circumstances...

 

What if most of the people who dropped CSA in this big heap of poo are long gone from the organisation?

 

I'm gonna apply for the CEO position at Steinhoff next week, worth a shout, I have a secret plan

So what do you suggest happens at CSA?

[SwissVan]

So what do you suggest happens at CSA?

Nominate and vote Hogg?

[Napalm]

So what do you suggest happens at CSA?

 

Mass firing. Or firing squad. 

[Fast-er]

So Hogg goes to CSA and want to go straight to the top of the ladder because he has a "secret plan" 

 

So in my mind this is how it plays off in my head. 

 

1. Hogg gets hired

2. Hogg implements his "secret plan"

3. Hogg's plan fails

4. CSA sitting with the same problem they did before they hired him 

 

And this "“My ideas were shot down in the past, but it took me four days to get a R50 000 sponsorship to start professional cycling." - getting sponsorship's these days are not the easiest things to do

[Andrew Steer]

So what do you suggest happens at CSA?

 

Sorry man, I've only got a secret plan for Steinhoff 

[Rolling Stone]

Some people maybe not doing the best job, many others though quite possibly doing a great job under really tough circumstances...

 

What if most of the people who dropped CSA in this big heap of poo are long gone from the organisation?

 

I'm gonna apply for the CEO position at Steinhoff next week, worth a shout, I have a secret plan 

 

So what most of the Cyclists do not realize is that CSA  is a bottom up type of organization. Or whatever you want to call it. And is accountable to its members.

 

Starts with the Rider that belongs to a club that is in good standing with a region.

 

These club members are hopefully also CSA members.

 

Club gets involved at regional level and makes sure that region is run properly and adding value to the clubs and their riders.

 

Region belongs to Provincial structure and does the same.

 

Province up to CSA etc.

 

If you think that CSA is not doing anything for you as cyclist it is most probably because you are not doing anything or very little at club, regional or provincial level if you are even a club member etc.

 

If you are bitching on this forum, you are most propably not a club member or your club is not involved and communicating with their members, because you would be a lot more up to date with how things work and what is currently happening.

 

To start at the top is definitely not the answer. Start with your club and work your way up.

 

Let the regions lead by example. As questions, find out when there are regional meetings, they should allow any member to sit in and observe. Ask for a constitution.  All figures should be open to member scrutiny.

 

I can almost guarantee you your local region does not have all the required positions filled and if they are filled, very often the people do not have the time or energy to do what they need to.

Now if you have no regional rep representing you in CSA structures, you cannot expect that someone else must go and do the work for you. Regions have an income stream, just like CSA and they are accountable to their members as to how the apply it.

 

Ok so if you are a CSA member and a member of a club, go get involved. otherwise it would be like not paying your taxes or voting, but expecting the government to deliver services. Not going to happen.

 

If you are a club member then go start by asking your club if they are involved at a regional level, or rather why they are not involved and keeping you informed.

Structural diagram CSA.pdf

[Patchelicious]

Sorry man, I've only got a secret plan for Steinhoff 

Im not sure they are in the position to place kit orders at the moment.

[Patchelicious]

So what most of the Cyclists do not realize is that CSA  is a bottom up type of organization. Or whatever you want to call it. And is accountable to its members.

 

Starts with the Rider that belongs to a club that is in good standing with a region.

 

These club members are hopefully also CSA members.

 

Club gets involved at regional level and makes sure that region is run properly and adding value to the clubs and their riders.

 

Region belongs to Provincial structure and does the same.

 

Province up to CSA etc.

 

If you think that CSA is not doing anything for you as cyclist it is most probably because you are not doing anything or very little at club, regional or provincial level if you are even a club member etc.

 

If you are bitching on this forum, you are most propably not a club member or your club is not involved and communicating with their members, because you would be a lot more up to date with how things work and what is currently happening.

 

To start at the top is definitely not the answer. Start with your club and work your way up.

 

Let the regions lead by example. As questions, find out when there are regional meetings, they should allow any member to sit in and observe. Ask for a constitution.  All figures should be open to member scrutiny.

 

I can almost guarantee you your local region does not have all the required positions filled and if they are filled, very often the people do not have the time or energy to do what they need to.

Now if you have no regional rep representing you in CSA structures, you cannot expect that someone else must go and do the work for you. Regions have an income stream, just like CSA and they are accountable to their members as to how the apply it.

 

Ok so if you are a CSA member and a member of a club, go get involved. otherwise it would be like not paying your taxes or voting, but expecting the government to deliver services. Not going to happen.

 

If you are a club member then go start by asking your club if they are involved at a regional level, or rather why they are not involved and keeping you informed.

 

This is the mistake people often make, its not about what answer is, but rather what the answerS are. There is always more than one solution.

 

Plans are only success if we "do this AND that", not "do this OR that".

That just creates microcosms of people fighting over which solution is best.

"You drive your solution, I will drive mine and together we will probably have a greater success." I know this sounds corny, but its works.

 

So yes, you make a good point about some of the solution starting at the club level. But that doesn't mean management doesn't need to change too.