EPO doesn't work scientists claims

[Duane_Bosch]

Wait, who died and made you the resident Hub medical doctor, chemist, Grand Tour winner, pro coach, etc.? Eh? 

Google him. He knows his ****. More than most on here.

[FCH]

Dr Mark Burnley already responded, picking holes at will in the study.

 

"no baseline measure of performance, no cross over, poorly controlled performance measure, not even matched pairs between groups".

 

ps- Ross Tucker is backing Mark's take that its a pretty awful attempt at a study.

[Patchelicious]

Dr Mark Burnley already responded, picking holes at will in the study.

 

"no baseline measure of performance, no cross over, poorly controlled performance measure, not even matched pairs between groups".

 

ps- Ross Tucker is backing Mark's take that its a pretty awful attempt at a study.

 

[SwissVan]

Only if you breath more too.

Like with a breathe right plaster on your nose... ?

[Shebeen]

this is proof enough to me

 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1200617.1352824692!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/article-lance-armstrong-twitter.jpg

[Fat Boab]

Dr Mark Burnley already responded, picking holes at will in the study.

 

"no baseline measure of performance, no cross over, poorly controlled performance measure, not even matched pairs between groups".

 

ps- Ross Tucker is backing Mark's take that its a pretty awful attempt at a study.

 

 

That's the nature of peer-review, or at least peer-review in the modern era of blogs, twitter etc. In the old days, not necessarily good, one would write a letter to the Editor for publication in the Journal and the original author/s would have right-of-reply. 

 

The thing to remember is that the paper would already have been through a couple of reviewers and an editor, so certain peers presumably felt the paper was worthy of being published, as a contribution to knowledge; not necessarily as a definite piece of work.

[Duane_Bosch]

this is proof enough to me

 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1200617.1352824692!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/article-lance-armstrong-twitter.jpg

He never tested positive tho!

[Thor Buttox]

That's the nature of peer-review, or at least peer-review in the modern era of blogs, twitter etc. In the old days, not necessarily good, one would write a letter to the Editor for publication in the Journal and the original author/s would have right-of-reply.

 

The thing to remember is that the paper would already have been through a couple of reviewers and an editor, so certain peers presumably felt the paper was worthy of being published, as a contribution to knowledge; not necessarily as a definite piece of work.

I believe the MMR thing went through without. And that's when it all got messy

[captain morgan]

As stated here by other hubber , the dose and hb increase in the 2 groups were probably lower than what EPO "dopers" use ... hb was 9.6 vs 9.0 in the test , not a big difference .

[Duane_Bosch]

this is proof enough to me

 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1200617.1352824692!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/article-lance-armstrong-twitter.jpg

I have to say this pic get my ocd eye twitching. If I had 7 of those badboys they'd be in chronological order and all next to each other and each one would have it's own spotlight.

[Fat Boab]

I believe the MMR thing went through without. And that's when it all got messy

 

I don't know the detail of the MMR/Lancet thing well enough, but any time there's a press conference before publication, life gets messy.

Also, peer-review isn't an infallible, nor a rapid system, and if someone has limited/no integrity, then they often can get stuff published. Whether it stands up to corroboration by repeat study is another matter.....

[Geronimo]

Of course you did.....

 

 

 

medicine-bottle-1-0028.jpg

Does this make you go faster or recover more quickly.. Where can I get some ??

[Tristand]

I don't know the detail of the MMR/Lancet thing well enough, but any time there's a press conference before publication, life gets messy.

Also, peer-review isn't an infallible, nor a rapid system, and if someone has limited/no integrity, then they often can get stuff published. Whether it stands up to corroboration by repeat study is another matter.....

 

A single study does not mean much at the best of times. You need a body of evidence, IE if you have 20 papers and 18 of them agree then you are talking. 

[Fat Boab]

A single study does not mean much at the best of times. You need a body of evidence, IE if you have 20 papers and 18 of them agree then you are talking. 

 

AKA scientific consensus........

[scotty]

I think LA would just be happy with his name back on the results sheet, he would never sue them

Fair swap. LA can leave his 7 framed yellow jerseys hanging in his house, Contador can wave his 3 fingers. 

[Skubarra]

He never tested positive tho!

 

Actually he did, but managed to conjure up a TUE for saddle sore treatments