Hunting - yes or no?

[BaGearA]

So she did the lions out of a meal.....

*Logic fly's out the door

[SwissVan]

*Logic fly's out the door:

Insert: Blonde wench pays to shoot giraffe and then pose next to it, in the name of conservation.

 

 

Fixed

[Patchelicious]

One of the problems of SJW posts is that it lacks perspective. Like the picture of the migrant baby washing out on the seashore.

One picture creating a total chaos in Europe.

 

I can argue that the shooter is a real schmuck. And that adds credibility to the anti hunters fraternity.

 

And then I can also argue that all vegans, environmentalists, and animal rightists are Nazis.

Because Hitler was a vegetarian. And Bunny huggers are Nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany

I see some nice names in the wiki article. Goebbels, Himmler, Goring.

Do we thus conclude that environmentalists, animal rightists and vegans are crazy militants? Because we "know what kind of people Himmler, Hitler and Goring were".

Hence my reasoning that inflammatory posts like that lacks perspective.

This is what confuses me. How are we supposed to make progress, when no concessions are made.

 

Not everything should be labelled SJW, thats just an attempt to diminish an opposing view. Not everything is either pro hunting or anti hunting. There are degrees, this has been discussed at length.

 

A person who takes such visible joy in shooting a giraffe purely for the pleasure is not your average hunter. That type of person probably has more in common with those names you mention than your average veganist.

[kosmonooit]

Talking hunting .. watched Wind River yesterday

[leeubok]

Interesting article written by CEO: Namibian Chamber of Environment

 

Hunting - Chris Brown.docx

[mon-goose]

Talking hunting .. watched Wind River yesterday

i take it this a movie?

[Odinson]

Research Shows Just How Much Hunting Reduces Animal Populations

 

 

Hunting has a devastating effect on animal populations — and the impact could worsen as development spreads in the future, according to research done in developing countries.

Researchers found that hunting on average leads to an 83% reduction in mammal populations within 25 miles of hunter access points like roads and towns. The findings, published in the journal Science, come as researchers in the developing world expect hunters to gain access to new areas thanks to millions of miles of roads expected to open in the coming decades. In the study, researchers call for expanded legal protection for animal habitats and increased law enforcement focus on illegal hunting.

“Strategies to sustainably manage wild meat hunting in both protected and unprotected tropical ecosystems are urgently needed,” said study author Ana Benítez-López, a researcher at Radboud University in the Netherlands. “This includes monitoring hunting activities by increasing anti-poaching patrols and controlling overexploitation via law enforcement.”

Hunting has also hit bird populations hard, with the practice leading to a 58% decline in population numbers within 4.5 miles of hunter access points. Researchers attribute the difference between the effect on birds and mammals to the amount of meat they provide. Commercial hunters are more likely to target mammals because they provide more meat, they said. Data for the new research came from more than 175 studies conducted in the tropics of developing countries.

Of course, hunting is far from the only threat faced by vulnerable animals across the globe. Loss of habitat due to human development, invasive species and climate change have all contributed to a loss of biodiversity across the globe. In turn, a loss of species diversity harms humans in a number of ways, by reducing pollination and pest control that supports agriculture and by allowing more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

 

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6334/180

[Mousea]

Went to a talk by an ex Ranger from Thembe Elephant park.

The Elephant population has Exploded and is now in the 200"s where as the park can only maintain about 120.

Culling is not allowed due to Cites and other red tape.

The sand forests and other mammals are suffering as a result.

The Suni which were once abundant in the forests are now hard to find.

 

Hunting HAS to be allowed to maintain the Elephant population.

Allowing other Mammals to survive

Edited February 22, 2019 by Mousea

[Odinson]

Went to a talk by an ex Ranger from Thembe Elephant park.

The Elephant population has Exploded and is now in the 200"s where as the park can only maintain about 120.

Culling is not allowed due to Cites and other red tape.

The sand forests and other mammals are suffering as a result.

The Suni which were once abundant in the forests are now hard to find.

 

Hunting HAS to be allowed to maintain the Elephant population.

Allowing other Mammals to survive

 

Is the situation not being exacerbated in that you have large migratory animals, the elephants, confined to a small (in relation) area, where they're being forced to compete for resources and territory? 

[Piston ZA]

There are other alternatives, like contraceptives or relocation. I'm very against hunting elephant, even for culling purposes.

[Mousea]

Is the situation not being exacerbated in that you have large migratory animals, the elephants, confined to a small (in relation) area, where they're being forced to compete for resources and territory? 

Yes, but where would you like them to migrate to

[Chris_]

There are other alternatives, like contraceptives or relocation. I'm very against hunting elephant, even for culling purposes.

 

In all my years of reading about elephant culling I've never heard of this. Is this practiced? 

 

Or is culling just an easy win for cash flow?

[DJR]

Is the situation not being exacerbated in that you have large migratory animals, the elephants, confined to a small (in relation) area, where they're being forced to compete for resources and territory? 

Quite correct. And in order to allow that particular migration to happen again naturally, they will have to cull the human population of a significant part of Northern KZN, most of Swaziland and Mozambique, including all of Maputo. And when the ellies get to Kruger, they are going to find too many of their brothers there as well, with vegetation destroyed and habitat damaged. So they'll have to find a better place to migrate to. The Okavango, easy! Wipe the whole of Gauteng and the Northern half of SA, out of the way people! But really, what they need is to connect with the Zambesi bunch! Club them Zim humans as well! Cool! better get going!  

[Piston ZA]

In all my years of reading about elephant culling I've never heard of this. Is this practiced? 

 

Or is culling just an easy win for cash flow?

https://www.up.ac.za/media/shared/678/ZP_Files/One%20pagers/elephants_onepager.zp104396.pdf

 

I think culling is just easier, cheaper, and can provide a cash flow.

 

https://conservationaction.co.za/recent-news/hot-debate-elephant-culling-vs-contraception-vs-exports-continues/

 

A designated elephant will get two vaccination shots in the first year, and then one shot annually after that. Once it has been determined the elephant can start breeding again, the shot can be skipped and the animal’s fertility will bounce back, depending on how long they have been on treatment. It costs between R1 500 and R2 000 per shot (includes medication, tranquilisers, helicopter and personnel), but this becomes cheaper if shots are done in bulk.

 

The contraception method also has little impact on the social structures of elephants, which can be heavily disrupted by culling and translocation, and their home ranges remain intact.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Piston ZA

[Chris_]

https://www.up.ac.za/media/shared/678/ZP_Files/One%20pagers/elephants_onepager.zp104396.pdf

 

I think culling is just easier, cheaper, and can provide a cash flow.

 

Wow, well Friday wasn't all wasted, high 5 for learning something new!

[Chris_]

Quite correct. And in order to allow that particular migration to happen again naturally, they will have to cull the human population of a significant part of Northern KZN, most of Swaziland and Mozambique, including all of Maputo. And when the ellies get to Kruger, they are going to find too many of their brothers there as well, with vegetation destroyed and habitat damaged. So they'll have to find a better place to migrate to. The Okavango, easy! Wipe the whole of Gauteng and the Northern half of SA, out of the way people! But really, what they need is to connect with the Zambesi bunch! Club them Zim humans as well! Cool! better get going!  

 

Sign me up! lets get rid of this rubbish!