The Veganism Thread

[Grass Muncher]

Fliek on Netflix called Seaspiracy. A great endorsement for a plant based diet

 

Well worth a watch

will watch ???? It didn't strike as a "vegan" movie tho.

[Stretch]

Fliek on Netflix called Seaspiracy. A great endorsement for a plant based diet

 

Well worth a watch

There's a bit of controversy that it unjustly paints asian countries in a bad light and is very western centric. Gonna give it a watch and see if it's so

[Wayne Potgieter]

Fliek on Netflix called Seaspiracy. A great endorsement for a plant based diet

 

Well worth a watch

 

 

will watch It didn't strike as a "vegan" movie tho.

 

 

There's a bit of controversy that it unjustly paints asian countries in a bad light and is very western centric. Gonna give it a watch and see if it's so

I watched it last night.

 

It's a good watch. As a Vegan, I did find it incredibly erratic.

 

It confirms a lot of what we know already - you can't keep taking massive amounts of animals out of an ecosystem and expect everything to be ok.

 

I have been doing some fact checking on the stats in the movie and there is a little bit of Cherry Picking going on. Some of the statistics just aren't true.

 

Thats a shame, because I totally agree with the narrative and am totally on board, but the omni naysayers will spot the mistakes and that will mean the message loses credibility.

 

As with most things in life, don't live in a vacuum, learn as much as you can from varied sources.

 

The ending scene with the whale hunt was extremely difficult to watch. Which is sort of the point. If you can't watch your food being prepared without it turning your stomach and messing with your mind, you really should be asking yourself some hard questions.

 

in summary, humans suck.

[Mojoman]

I watched it last night.

 

It's a good watch. As a Vegan, I did find it incredibly erratic.

 

It confirms a lot of what we know already - you can't keep taking massive amounts of animals out of an ecosystem and expect everything to be ok.

 

I have been doing some fact checking on the stats in the movie and there is a little bit of Cherry Picking going on. Some of the statistics just aren't true.

 

Thats a shame, because I totally agree with the narrative and am totally on board, but the omni naysayers will spot the mistakes and that will mean the message loses credibility.

 

As with most things in life, don't live in a vacuum, learn as much as you can from varied sources.

 

The ending scene with the whale hunt was extremely difficult to watch. Which is sort of the point. If you can't watch your food being prepared without it turning your stomach and messing with your mind, you really should be asking yourself some hard questions.

 

in summary, humans suck.

Aye, that they do. 

[IceCreamMan]

will watch ???? It didn't strike as a "vegan" movie tho.

It’s not a vegan movie and as per a previous posters dissection it has been ‘ramped’ up to elicit a specific response. That’s a film makers prerogative.

 

But there is no escaping some harsh realities in our food chain. An we (you, me an everyone) need to make conscious decisions about what we eat.

[Cois]

We have a braai at work today...  Went to the market this morning and got some Fry Sausages for me to put on a bun. Must say it is tough with the wife to eat healthy.  She still thinks red meat is good for us.  And to be honest...  I am starting to doubt it.  But to get her to eat less red meat is a mission.

 

Only problem for me is soy at this stage.  Was warned to stay away from soy as it does not react well to the meds I am on (I have a rest week from the meds this week)

[Mojoman]

We have a braai at work today...  Went to the market this morning and got some Fry Sausages for me to put on a bun. Must say it is tough with the wife to eat healthy.  She still thinks red meat is good for us.  And to be honest...  I am starting to doubt it.  But to get her to eat less red meat is a mission.

 

Only problem for me is soy at this stage.  Was warned to stay away from soy as it does not react well to the meds I am on (I have a rest week from the meds this week)

I know its a bit of a hassle if you are not a cooking kind of person but I fry those sausages up at home with some red onion, garlic and mushrooms (or whatever you fancy) and then add some coconut cream for the sauce...chuck it into some tin foil and its good to chuck on the braai....adds some flavour to those sausages....And stops the braai-master from whining too much.....

Edited April 1, 2021 by Mojoman

[Eldron]

News is a bit old but it is pretty cool that vegan restaurants are now mainstream/popular/acceptable enough to earn Michelin stars!

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55717253

[Chris_]

I watched it last night.

 

It's a good watch. As a Vegan, I did find it incredibly erratic.

 

It confirms a lot of what we know already - you can't keep taking massive amounts of animals out of an ecosystem and expect everything to be ok.

 

I have been doing some fact checking on the stats in the movie and there is a little bit of Cherry Picking going on. Some of the statistics just aren't true.

 

Thats a shame, because I totally agree with the narrative and am totally on board, but the omni naysayers will spot the mistakes and that will mean the message loses credibility.

 

As with most things in life, don't live in a vacuum, learn as much as you can from varied sources.

 

The ending scene with the whale hunt was extremely difficult to watch. Which is sort of the point. If you can't watch your food being prepared without it turning your stomach and messing with your mind, you really should be asking yourself some hard questions.

 

in summary, humans suck.

Out of interest, as I just watched it, what are the cherry picked 'facts' and lies?

[Wayne Potgieter]

Out of interest, as I just watched it, what are the cherry picked 'facts' and lies?

Its not blatant lies as such.

 

More just embellishment/cherry picking stats to support.

 

For example, the statistic around 46% of all ocean plastic originating from fishing gear only actually applies in the great pacific garbage patch (where it is the highest) it is lower as an average across all ocean plastic.

 

So the producers have sought stats that embellish and paint a picture that is not 100% accurate. I think that's a mistake. It allows the naysayers an opportunity to discredit the film. 

 

For the record, I emphatically agree with the purpose of this film. As a 4 year Vegan and huge proponent for eliminating harm to animals, I am already a convert and totally on their team. But cherry picking stats is a risky business.

[BrianMTB]

I haven’t been on this site for quite a while, and so I was intrigued to see a large and active thread about veganism (being a former professional animal scientist turned vegan). I expected to see a complete deterioration of civility and decorum in the thread, with opposing views on this contentious subject facing off across an impassible divide.
 

I read the first 20 or so pages that started in 2018 and then the last 10 or so most recent pages. It seems to me that (with the exception of the inevitable spat here and there), the discussion was always constructive and in fact appeared to evolve over the 3+ years into a real platform for positive debate on the topic.

 

I’ve been fully vegan for about 6 years, and in that time I have seen what I perceive as a swing in societal attitudes about vegansim; from open hostility (which I’m embarrassed to say used to be my position) to greater awareness and even partial adoption.

Perhaps this is just my perception based on my frame of reference. I am interested to hear other’s views on this. 
 

[IceCreamMan]

To be fair there is some real handbag swinging on this thread an that’s from all sides.

 

But for the most part it’s informative.

[Patchelicious]

Its not blatant lies as such.

 

More just embellishment/cherry picking stats to support.

 

For example, the statistic around 46% of all ocean plastic originating from fishing gear only actually applies in the great pacific garbage patch (where it is the highest) it is lower as an average across all ocean plastic.

 

So the producers have sought stats that embellish and paint a picture that is not 100% accurate. I think that's a mistake. It allows the naysayers an opportunity to discredit the film. 

 

For the record, I emphatically agree with the purpose of this film. As a 4 year Vegan and huge proponent for eliminating harm to animals, I am already a convert and totally on their team. But cherry picking stats is a risky business.

I agree.

 

We saw the same with Game Changers. Plant based diets was presented as the silver bullet to ALL the worlds problems. It creates distrust to a degree.

 

Post like yours though, correct for that some what.

[Grass Muncher]

I haven’t been on this site for quite a while, and so I was intrigued to see a large and active thread about veganismm(being a former professional animal scientist turned vegan). I expected to see a complete deterioration of civility and decorum in the thread, with opposing views on this contentious subject facing off across an impassible divide.

 

I read the first 20 or so pages that started in 2018 and then the last 10 or so most recent pages. It seems to me that (with the exception of the inevitable spat here and there), the discussion was always constructive and in fact appeared to evolve over the 3+ years into a real platform for positive debate on the topic.

 

I’ve been fully vegan for about 6 years, and in that time I have seen what I perceive as a swing in societal attitudes about vegansim; from open hostility (which I’m embarrassed to say used to be my position) to greater awareness and even partial adoption.

Perhaps this is just my perception based on my frame of reference. I am interested to hear other’s views on this.

 

People on bikehub will avoid this thread as they dont understand veganism or just dont care about it.

Vegans are thrown in the same category as feminists, socialists and the lgbtq community.

 

You'd be surprised how many teens are vegan and what their attitude towards veganism is nowadays...

Most younger people (16-26) will actually acknowledge that the plantbased is healthy or even healthier than other diets but there is still a lot of idiots out there.

[Nancy Drew]

I know its a bit of a hassle if you are not a cooking kind of person but I fry those sausages up at home with some red onion, garlic and mushrooms (or whatever you fancy) and then add some coconut cream for the sauce...chuck it into some tin foil and its good to chuck on the braai....adds some flavour to those sausages....And stops the braai-master from whining too much.....

 

There's something about the texture of the Fry's products that I just can't stomach no matter how many other ingredients I add, so I've just stopped buying meat 'replacements/substitutes'. For me personally, they're expensive and unnecessary.. but maybe that's just me

[Rocket-Boy]

There's something about the texture of the Fry's products that I just can't stomach no matter how many other ingredients I add, so I've just stopped buying meat 'replacements/substitutes'. For me personally, they're expensive and unnecessary.. but maybe that's just me

I generally dont like meat substitutes but Fry's arent too bad. 

Their bigboy burgers and boerewors are both pretty good for when you are craving a boerie roll or hamburger.

But yeah their products are mostly good for people who arent good with flavour or havent got past the idea of having to have some "meat" with each meal.