For the aviation fans

[SwissVan]

Boeing 737 Max: Worker said plane 'designed by clowns'

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51058929

And they don’t only work at Boing....

 

Most experienced aircraft mechanics will attest to this when they mumble to themselves....

Edited January 10, 2020 by SwissVan

[Bateleur1]

I often have a look on this website to see what's happening with BA equipment around the world.

 

Several flights were diverted around Iranian airspace when this all kicked off.

 

http://thebasource.com/

 

Is there a similar website for SAA?

 

Lufthansa also suspended all flights to Iran

[Bateleur1]

Maybe all airlines should boycott flying to Iran until the Black boxes are handed over and the cause of the accident is determined.  Might get the Iranian government to quickly fix their issues.

[kosmonooit]

Iran is quite within its rights not to hand them over, but they have invite Ukraine, Canada and even the NTSB from the USA apparently. They will not be able to hide or conceal any info.

 

ADS-B stopped abruptly minutes before impact - not a good sign! 

[Bateleur1]

Iran is quite within its rights not to hand them over, but they have invite Ukraine, Canada and even the NTSB from the USA apparently. They will not be able to hide or conceal any info.

 

ADS-B stopped abruptly minutes before impact - not a good sign! 

 

Quite possibly that is why the pilots could not call for help.  What ever took out the ADS-B transponder also took out the communications / big part of the electrical

[kosmonooit]

Pilots are trained to Aviate - Navigate - Communicate when things start going south, so making a mayday call is last on the of priorities,

 

Whatever happened, they had their hands full and what you say could be true, their comms equipment got taken out as well.

[kosmonooit]

So Iran has fessed up to shooting it down ... what a tragedy.

[SwissVan]

So Iran has fessed up to shooting it down ... what a tragedy.

Deny deny deny and then in face of evidence a turn around

Pfft they had no choice, now they will blame it on someone else

Lying baaaastids

[Bateleur1]

And the irony is they will most propably string up a troop to show the world they will take action but the real poeple responsible (polititians and military leaders) will not be dealt with.

[Bateleur1]

https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/184418-iran-vs-usa/?p=3598436

[eddy]

Duct tape is awesome. Same as ally tape and high speed tape. I have used it plenty. Luckily the plane in your pics has a fabric skin so as long as the tape can keep the air out it will(should).

The plane that won the Battle of Britain accounting for 64% of all German kills, the Hawker Hurricane was built out of a wooden frame wrapped in Irish linen and painted with "dope".

 

They could repair an air combat shell or bullet hole with a cloth patch whilst being refueled and rearmed and send it off again. A spitfire had to go to the sheet metal shop and be repaired by a trained artisan taking it out of action for days.

[kosmonooit]

Deny deny deny and then in face of evidence a turn around

Pfft they had no choice, now they will blame it on someone else

Lying baaaastids

Emphatic denial is often a sign of guilt, but I think here it just took a while for the facts to filter up, Iran is not exactly an open society.

[DJR]

So Iran has fessed up to shooting it down ... what a tragedy.

If it is indeed true that Iran admitted to being responsible for the tragedy, then they are doing better in my book that the Russians or the Americans ever did. Seems to me the only ones ever fessing up good and proper were the Ukranians. The list of passenger planes shot down by mistake, or intentionally, is longer than I ever thought! Scary! Below are just a few of the bigger ones from Dr Google.

 

1988 Iran Air Flight 655

Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a commercial flight operated by Iran Air that regularly flew from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai, UAE. On 3 July 1988, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War, the aircraft was shot down by the U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes when it fired a RIM-66 Standard surface-to-air missile. The airplane was destroyed between Bandar Abbas and Dubai; all 290 passengers and crew died. USS Vincennes was in Iranian waters at the time of the attack. IR655, an Airbus A300 on an ascending flight path, was allegedly misidentified as a descending Iranian F-14.[31]

 

2001 Siberia Airlines Flight 1812

On 4 October 2001, Siberian Airlines Flight 1812, a Tupolev Tu-154, crashed over the Black Sea en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia. Although the immediate suspicion was of a terrorist attack, American sources proved that the plane was hit by a S-200 surface-to-air missile, fired from the Crimea peninsula during a Ukrainian military exercise, and this was confirmed by the Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee. All on board (66 passengers and 12 crew) died. The President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma and several high commanders of the military expressed their condolences to the relatives of the victims. The Ukrainian Government paid out $200,000 in compensation to the families of every passenger and crew who died when the plane crashed. They paid out a total of $15 million in compensation for the accident.[42]

 

2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

Main article: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

On 17 July 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777-200ER, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was hit by a Soviet-made Buk surface-to-air missile. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed, including 80 children. Joint Investigation Team claimed the missile was operated by Russian backed rebels near Donetsk, Ukraine during the Battle in Shakhtarsk Raion.[48] Russian President Vladimir Putin denied accusations of Russian involvement.[49] At the time, the shootdown is Ukraine's deadliest aviation disaster and the deadliest aviation disaster involving the Boeing 777.[50]

 

1983 Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Main article: Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Korean Air Lines Flight 007, also known as KAL 007 or KE007, was a Korean Air Lines Boeing 747 civilian airliner shot down by a Soviet Su-15TM interceptor on 1 September 1983, near Moneron Island just west of Sakhalin Island. 269 passengers and crew, including US congressman Larry McDonald, were aboard KAL 007; there were no survivors. An official investigation concluded that the course deviation was likely caused by pilot error in configuring the air navigation system.[24]

1985 Polar 3

Edited January 11, 2020 by DJR

[Headshot]

If it is indeed true that Iran admitted to being responsible for the tragedy, then they are doing better in my book that the Russians or the Americans ever did. Seems to me the only ones ever fessing up good and proper were the Ukranians. The list of passenger planes shot down by mistake, or intentionally, is longer than I ever thought! Scary! Below are just a few of the bigger ones from Dr Google.

 

1988 Iran Air Flight 655

Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a commercial flight operated by Iran Air that regularly flew from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai, UAE. On 3 July 1988, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War, the aircraft was shot down by the U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes when it fired a RIM-66 Standard surface-to-air missile. The airplane was destroyed between Bandar Abbas and Dubai; all 290 passengers and crew died. USS Vincennes was in Iranian waters at the time of the attack. IR655, an Airbus A300 on an ascending flight path, was allegedly misidentified as a descending Iranian F-14.[31]

 

2001 Siberia Airlines Flight 1812

On 4 October 2001, Siberian Airlines Flight 1812, a Tupolev Tu-154, crashed over the Black Sea en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia. Although the immediate suspicion was of a terrorist attack, American sources proved that the plane was hit by a S-200 surface-to-air missile, fired from the Crimea peninsula during a Ukrainian military exercise, and this was confirmed by the Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee. All on board (66 passengers and 12 crew) died. The President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma and several high commanders of the military expressed their condolences to the relatives of the victims. The Ukrainian Government paid out $200,000 in compensation to the families of every passenger and crew who died when the plane crashed. They paid out a total of $15 million in compensation for the accident.[42]

 

2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

Main article: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

On 17 July 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777-200ER, flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was hit by a Soviet-made Buk surface-to-air missile. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed, including 80 children. Joint Investigation Team claimed the missile was operated by Russian backed rebels near Donetsk, Ukraine during the Battle in Shakhtarsk Raion.[48] Russian President Vladimir Putin denied accusations of Russian involvement.[49] At the time, the shootdown is Ukraine's deadliest aviation disaster and the deadliest aviation disaster involving the Boeing 777.[50]

 

1983 Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Main article: Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Korean Air Lines Flight 007, also known as KAL 007 or KE007, was a Korean Air Lines Boeing 747 civilian airliner shot down by a Soviet Su-15TM interceptor on 1 September 1983, near Moneron Island just west of Sakhalin Island. 269 passengers and crew, including US congressman Larry McDonald, were aboard KAL 007; there were no survivors. An official investigation concluded that the course deviation was likely caused by pilot error in configuring the air navigation system.[24]

1985 Polar 3

I don't think Iran deserves any credit for their "honesty". Quite the opposite.

 

Iran admitted to it only after Ukranian and perhaps other foreign officials sent to investigate the crash scene, determined that it had been caused by a missile shoot down. Iran had already done their best to cover it up, first with denials and claims that it was a technical issue and then later, bulldozing the wreckage into piles which is totally against international accident investigation protocols. Unfortunately for them, the Ukrainians and news reporters had already taken several pictures of shrapnel damage to the skin of the aircraft. In short Iran had no choice but to confess. 

[Robbie Stewart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdvcKFtrjV0

[geomark]

I don't think Iran deserves any credit for their "honesty". Quite the opposite.

 

Iran admitted to it only after Ukranian and perhaps other foreign officials sent to investigate the crash scene, determined that it had been caused by a missile shoot down. Iran had already done their best to cover it up, first with denials and claims that it was a technical issue and then later, bulldozing the wreckage into piles which is totally against international accident investigation protocols. Unfortunately for them, the Ukrainians and news reporters had already taken several pictures of shrapnel damage to the skin of the aircraft. In short Iran had no choice but to confess. 

And are suffering massive internal blow back from their own population for trying to lie so blatantly and being incompetent, the revolutionary guard are not used to ridicule