The Abortion Issue

[cvancoillie]

Yes, lies - Northam cocked up his response, but is not what the Dems stand for.

 

So what do they stand for? Where do they stand in the options I gave?

[Robbie Stewart]

I am yes, because what you did was lie to make a moment appear different to was it was. For someone who has studied the bible for 5 years you sure did make a really bad mistake

 

And "predicting death by crucifixion" there was no predicting anything..the most common punishment for blasphemy was death..

 

Leviticus 24:13-16 Then the Lord said to Moses: “Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.Say to the Israelites: ‘Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible; anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.

 

 

He knew what he was doing was breaking the law and if arrested that he would be put to death, death sentence at that time was crucifixion.

 

Since you're accusing me lying? (when did I tell a lie, pray tell?) - Now you are having a discussion with me precisely about the very thing you asked me not to engage you with by PM'ing me?

 

What is now - discuss, or don't discuss?

[Gen]

Since you're accusing me lying? (when did I tell a lie, pray tell?) - Now you are having a discussion with me precisely about the very thing you asked me not to engage you with by PM'ing me?

 

What is now - discuss, or don't discuss?

Well right here.. I didn't ask you not to engage I said there is no need for you to say you will pray for me so that god can open my eyes... you said you wouldn't engage further not me

 

I can post the PMs here with you permission if you like.

 

And you did lie.. in your post you said Jesus handed himself over even after he was cleared ..he didn't.

 

And btw.

 

You started a PM discussion with me after I said on this tread if you want to discuss further you can PM..which YOU did.

[Robbie Stewart]

Well right here.. I didn't ask you not to engage I said there is no need for you to say you will pray for me so that god can open my eyes... you said you wouldn't engage further not me

 

I can post the PMs here with you permission I you like.

 

And you did lie.. in your post you said Jesus handed himself over even after he was cleared ..he didn't.

 

Post what you want. 

 

I really don't want to fight with you.

 

If you are interpreting what I said as a lie, let me be the first to correct an error on your behalf.

 

Yes. I did type that as you are stating. What I meant to say, and I clearly should have clarified my position more pointedly, was that YES, Jesus was arrested. YES He was tried. YES He was beaten, mocked and scourged. YES He was then crucified. ALL THIS IS TRUE. I am NOT disputing that.

 

What I MEANT to say, was that LONG BEFORE all this happened, He told His disciples that this very thing was going to happen. Then He left Cesarea Philippi, where they were, and marched straight for Jerusalem.  He told His disciples that He was about to be crucified, and that He would rise again on the 3rd day. He told them that He lays down His life of His own will, and that He has authority to take it up again, given Him by the Father.

 

What part of that is the lie?

[Robbie Stewart]

I am getting the message, I really am.

If I have offended anyone in any way, I apologise. My intention is never to sow discord or hate. I am a Christian, you all know that by now. I am mandated by Christ to share the gospel. If I deny Him before men, He will deny me before the Father.

 

I do not have to defend the gospel, or the veracity or truth of the gospel. I merely share the truth as I am able. The Gospel of Salvation of Jesus Christ will, and is able, and has for more than 2000 years, stood on it's own merit.

 

Anyone who is sincere, and wants to engage me further, you can PM me, and I will gladly discuss further.

 

Let them with ears to hear, listen. Let them who have eyes to see, look, and gain understanding.

 

Amen.

[Gen]

Post what you want.

 

I really don't want to fight with you.

 

If you are interpreting what I said as a lie, let me be the first to correct an error on your behalf.

 

Yes. I did type that as you are stating. What I meant to say, and I clearly should have clarified my position more pointedly, was that YES, Jesus was arrested. YES He was tried. YES He was beaten, mocked and scourged. YES He was then crucified. ALL THIS IS TRUE. I am NOT disputing that.

 

What I MEANT to say, was that LONG BEFORE all this happened, He told His disciples that this very thing was going to happen. Then He left Cesarea Philippi, where they were, and marched straight for Jerusalem. He told His disciples that He was about to be crucified, and that He would rise again on the 3rd day. He told them that He lays down His life of His own will, and that He has authority to take it up again, given Him by the Father.

 

What part of that is the lie?

I actually responded to the prediction of crucifixion already..

 

 

I called you out for lying or would you feel better had I said alternative truth surrounding the actually sentinging to death by crucifixion ..

 

But very well I am not fighting with you, I am disagreeing with you and pointed out where you were incorrect in something that you said.

 

Edit

 

And just to clarify matters regarding the PMs..as you said I can post what I like..therefore I would not be breaking any forum rules.

 

 

[Skubarra]

Exactly the point. Why call yourself "pro-choice" if that includes even only 0.1% of people who think like that? I believe most people are actually "pro-life" but have their own idea of when "life" begins. I am curious to know what those are.

 

Not sure what you are getting at but yes, pro-choice is not an open-ended" anything goes" for the whole duration of the pregnancy - (although that is a boogieman idea anti-abortionists like to push). If 0.1% of pro-choicer's disagree and have extremist ideas what does it really matter?

[Chris_]

Robbie I applaud your resilience over the last couple days 

[Thor Buttox]

I am getting the message, I really am.

 

If I have offended anyone in any way, I apologise. My intention is never to sow discord or hate. I am a Christian, you all know that by now. I am mandated by Christ to share the gospel. If I deny Him before men, He will deny me before the Father.

 

I do not have to defend the gospel, or the veracity or truth of the gospel. I merely share the truth as I am able. The Gospel of Salvation of Jesus Christ will, and is able, and has for more than 2000 years, stood on it's own merit.

 

Anyone who is sincere, and wants to engage me further, you can PM me, and I will gladly discuss further.

 

Let them with ears to hear, listen. Let them who have eyes to see, look, and gain understanding.

 

Amen.

No. Just no.

 

You are sharing the truth of a white male luckily born into a mainly Christian country at the end of the second millennium after the birth of a supposed messiah, one of many.

 

Here is a paragraph written by a genuine biblical scholar, who is currently a Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies and who has been studying the Bible since 1973:

 

Even before he was born, it was known that he would be someone special. A supernatural being informed his mother the child she was to conceive would not be a mere mortal but would be divine. He was born miraculously, and he became an unusually precocious young man. As an adult he left home and went on an itinerant preaching ministry, urging his listeners to live, not for the material things of this world, but for what is spiritual. He gathered a number of disciples around him, who became convinced that his teachings were divinely inspired, in no small part because he himself was divine. He proved it to them by doing many miracles, healing the sick, casting out demons, and raising the dead. But at the end of his life he roused opposition, and his enemies delivered him over to the Roman authorities for judgment, but unlike Jesus was not crucified,[28] as he vanished from the courtroom and reappeared in another place days later where he was seen by his followers,[29] and convinced them that he was not really dead, but lived on in the heavenly realm. Later some of his followers wrote books about him.[30]

 

Who is he talking about? Jesus, Homer Simpson, Mohammud?

 

No it's someone called Appolonius.

 

http://www.truthbeknown.com/apollonius.html

 

There is nothing special about Jesus.

 

All you have is faith. And that is yours and yours alone. To call it truth is nought but arrogance and self-righteousness, and to suggest that you should spread this 'truth' is in and of itself fundamentally divergent from the Christian ethos of love thy neighbour. Or is that just relative and needs a qualifier like '... unless the neighbour needs changing', which in times of absolute truth is perplexing in and of itself?

 

Ps: I pre-empted the response of 'but the others don't have the resurrection' because that really is the only differentiating factor in the whole house of cards, isn't it? Well, for that go back to the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians and the like. Quetzalcoatl, Horus, Persephone, Tammuz...there are tons of the buggers.

 

Oh, I hear you say, but Jesus was a human. Maybe. But then so was Muhammud. Born 600 years later than Jesus... Probably more likely to be correct given the state of academia in the Arab world. But no, he cannot be the way, right?

 

Look, I can respect your right to believe absolutely whatever you want, but in relation to this topic, no religion adds any value at all, because the problems of the modern world will not be solved by more people, unwanted and unloved and unfed. Love in whatever way you want, live in whatever way you want and laugh in whatever way you want, but please stop prescribing misery to those who have not asked, or imposing your will on those who have no need.

 

Pps: and by 'You' I mean ALL religious folks, not just Robbie.

[Stretch]

Robbie I applaud your resilience over the last couple days

I can't deny that. I didn't want this to go into a religious debate.. But it did... And he's ultimately doing what his God has says he must do. Spread the word.

 

I guess when you are debating about abortion you are always gonna bring religion into it. What I don't get is the state that brought this topic to the fore again...alabahma...The death penalty is still in place. It is most contradictory.. Especially considering how inhumane the death penalty is

[Thor Buttox]

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/shocking-child-rape-loophole-put-an-end-to-my-childhood/news-story/c2fe3df2824894dce68e3676b087ba34

 

Laws, hey?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

what the actual fark!?

[gummibear]

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/shocking-child-rape-loophole-put-an-end-to-my-childhood/news-story/c2fe3df2824894dce68e3676b087ba34

 

Laws, hey?

Going to bet you that they all have bibles on their bed-side tables and will find verses to condone their actions.

[DR ◣◢]

Wether you choose to buy nappies or a cost hanger, the choice is yours and nobody has the right to judge or comment on it.

 

The one commandment: don’t be a ****

[Thor Buttox]

what the actual fark!?

The hard left scream racism and gender and the right scream religion and guns and in the middle you look at both sides and hope Darwin wins.

[Uni]

I actually responded to the prediction of crucifixion already..

 

 

 

since i'm bored and can't go home yet i decided to read some of the posts here. 

earlier there was mention of a baby / foetus / zygote / whatever being sinless and thus, does not deserve to die ,but this says that we are all born sinners thanks to Adam and Eve. Do I understand that correctly?