Review: Titan Racing Cypher RS Carbon Ultimate

[WT]

14 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

With Pyga, their production costs are really high. Local welders, local carbon layup, in house staff and setup.

They don't sell huge volume either.

I think one of the telling things is the amount of old model enduro bikes seen at Enduros.

The fancy enduro guys with cash to burn are all riding e-bikes these days, as they can get more runs in a morning while burning less Craft Beer calories. 

I don't think there is a gap to fill in the gravity market. Established brands have come and failed. The amount of 2014 Pygas and Spez Enduro/Stumpys seen on the trails daily sort of illustrates the market trends

Of course the local labour makes it more expensive, that is to be expected. My point was just that for the average joe looking to buy a first new enduro bike they may now be too pricey. I do think they are going for the more "boutique" reputation though so nothing necessarily wrong with that.

I agree that e-bikes seem to be the new thing for a lot of guys now though. Definitely apparent when you look at what the big bike shops like cycle lab are stocking (I have not seen a proper "non-e" trail bike on their website for a while now).

But really interesting to hear your opinion. As a more trail/enduro oriented rider myself (no e-bikes or beers though😜) it is really easy to forget how small the community really still is. 

Always really cool to hear other perspectives, appreciate it!

[DieselnDust]

22 hours ago, MTBRIDER1234 said:

I wasn't saying buy all the parts new. For 130k you could easily build that up with some second hand lightly used parts. Ask me how I built my PYGA for half of retail with a very solid spec.

Ok well that’s a different matter and certainly the way I’d approach it but we can’t compare a new bike with a new frame fitted with 2nd hand parts. Those are two different approaches. 
As far as new bikes goes the titan is still the best price performance ratio. Yes R130k is a lot of money but it’s still a lot less than similar spec “boutique “ brands 

inis just released a new made in Vietnam Exie that’s 30% cheaper Than the Exie USA but 250gr heavier.

Is the made in USA version worth the extra cash?

[Murrob]

I feel like we would all be better off if we were honest about what we ride and what we would like to ride and then look at frame geometry for fit and characteristics.  Then look at components and value as a total package… I would definitely be in for the Titan. Their new road and mtb offering look super. 

Then throw the above all out the window and buy what you makes you happy. I’ll say again, the Titan in the current market present really great value in terms of the total package. But if it doesn’t make you want to turn around and look at it again after walking past it for whatever reason, then buy whatever you believe to be better. Its good to hear about the after sales service and warranty, that’s ultimately where it starts and stops, your boutique unobtanium bike is useless if you can’t get after sales service or spares for it. And that then it really just talking about the frame I suppose, the rest is down to the components manufacturers/distributors and their willingness to back their products or not (cold hot anyone?!)

[carlheinz]

On 1/24/2023 at 10:43 PM, Patrice gautier said:

Got my Titan cypher ultimate today.

Did everything i needed to do to it to eg comfortable. 

Will still tweek as i ride.

The bike out the box in a medium  came in at 11.06kg.

I removed the standard  grips and replaced then, also changed a few thing that wher on the bike. 

Added  my xtr pedals and 2 x bottle cage and tubeless conversion. 

Bike is ride ready at 11.06 kg to ride Tomorrow 

 

Tomorrow  we ride

How did it ride?

Currently looking at this beast after finding this damn bikehub review😄
Rolling on a Anthem Pro 2020 with XTR and Fox Live.

I was just pondering if an upgrade/swap would be a good idea...

 

[Scott roy]

Could anyone tell me what’s the maximum size chainring you can run on one of these?

[JacquesJ]

8 hours ago, Scott roy said:

Could anyone tell me what’s the maximum size chainring you can run on one of these?

I have the Cypher Pro and was told by Titan it can go to 36. 38 apparantly wont fit. Suspect it will be the same for the Ultimate.

[Scott roy]

4 hours ago, Jacques Joubert WC said:

I have the Cypher Pro and was told by Titan it can go to 36. 38 apparantly wont fit. Suspect it will be the same for the Ultimate.

Thanks, that’s a bit disappointing 

[JacquesJ]

Maybe chat to a lbs...this might be the spec they have tested and officially support it, but in reality you may be able to get a 38 in there. Let me know if you do find out anything different to what I know

[Scott roy]

54 minutes ago, Jacques Joubert WC said:

Maybe chat to a lbs...this might be the spec they have tested and officially support it, but in reality you may be able to get a 38 in there. Let me know if you do find out anything different to what I know

I’ll find out when I get mine this week

[ajnkzn]

If you go 6mm offset chainring it’ll probably work with a 38. 
 

[Jbr]

On 1/18/2023 at 1:58 PM, AllAboutRides said:

Jeeezzzz I really hope that all of you are pro’s, didn’t know weight of a bike will make you a better rider, ride more and loose some weight, much better!

I think this is great value for money and if I’m correct Bike Addict sold them for R109 000 at one stage, so even better!

S-works / Specialized over rated, R240 000 for a bike is ridiculous, but still people buy them / finance them because of the brand.

Give Titan Racing the credit for developing well priced / speced bikes and I’m 200% sure there is more to come

109 is still plenty of money. Spent 60k on a 2019 lefty highmod in 2021 and reading this thread I’m definitely not selling it anytime soon if 110k is now considered « cheap » for a 11+ kg bike. I think at the time my hi-mod xtr was valuated at 130k new by the insurer. Feels like a lifetime ago now that post covid madness has hit the industry

[guidodg]

4 hours ago, ajnkzn said:

If you go 6mm offset chainring it’ll probably work with a 38. 
 

you mean 0mm offset...not 6

[BaGearA]

It sucks that they're designed like this but very few modern dualies support anything bigger than a 36t round 

[Scott roy]

54 minutes ago, BaGearA said:

It sucks that they're designed like this but very few modern dualies support anything bigger than a 36t round 

That is indeed very sad, I run a 36 oval typically and want to try a 38 ,it will be a bit sad if I have to go back to a 36 round…

[Titan Racing Bikes]

On 2/3/2023 at 8:11 PM, Scott roy said:

Could anyone tell me what’s the maximum size chainring you can run on one of these?

38T

Cliff, our head of design weighing in: 

"But I wouldn't recommend it - personally I think it ruins the anti squat, 36T is better."

[Scott roy]

8 minutes ago, Titan Racing Bikes said:

38T

Cliff, our head of design weighing in: 

"But I wouldn't recommend it - personally I think it ruins the anti squat, 36T is better."

Thanks a lot ,i’ll be running a 36 oval so that’s fine