Trashy Montecasino Classic

[The Ouzo]

2 minutes ago, ACE Cycles said:

It was obviously an oversight, or are you saying that they had no intention to pick it up? Because that would just be ridiculous 

ACE, it seems you are a little to close to see the bigger picture here.

Yes it was an oversight. But, as a race organiser, should you, or atleast someone else, atleast take a drive through the course later that day or the next to make sure all equipment (toilets, barriers, cones, or whatever else) is cleaned up ?

this issue was reported on here last week already. were the organisers contacted ? I dont know, but it does mean that trash has been there for over a week now, possibly getting blown into the surrounding areas.

It does not provide a good picture to the public for cycling in the area.

[ACE Cycles]

1 minute ago, Jase619 said:

Definitely didn't say it was intentional, as you said that would be ridiculous. 

Agree it was an oversight, just saying that an oversight does not absolve you of responsibility.

Absolutely, and the quickest way to bring it to their attention is by contacting them directly. As opposed to waiting for them to find out about it on social media.

What I find ridiculous is that so many people felt so disgusted about it, yet carried on riding and did nothing about it.

It didn't take me 5mins to pick it all up

[ACE Cycles]

1 minute ago, The Ouzo said:

ACE, it seems you are a little to close to see the bigger picture here.

Yes it was an oversight. But, as a race organiser, should you, or atleast someone else, atleast take a drive through the course later that day or the next to make sure all equipment (toilets, barriers, cones, or whatever else) is cleaned up ?

this issue was reported on here last week already. were the organisers contacted ? I dont know, but it does mean that trash has been there for over a week now, possibly getting blown into the surrounding areas.

It does not provide a good picture to the public for cycling in the area.

My point is that someone could have done something about it a long time ago if it was reported to the organisers directly, as opposed to discussing it on an online forum

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An alternative view: 

I never realized that the trash was still there. I'll let the organisers know asap as I know them well. I'll keep you informed if there's any issues and or once its been cleaned up. 
Thanks again for letting me know

That's a win 👆

(And what's more of a win, is that you cleaned it up too. Well done - I owe you a cuppa java as a thank you - let me know how I can do so please)

Its obvious you are close to the race face, but post race wrap up is as important as pre-race set up. You know that.
Being able to discuss it on a public forum is allowed, and if the organisers get a tongue lashing in the process then so be it. Organisers are allowed to take the bashing as well as compliments on a forum too are they not?

Maybe all race organisers can take a feather out this cap for future events to do that song and dance in front of the cameras as you put it, and do a bigger clean up than their allotted area - wouldn't that be nice? 

The irony as I type this, is that a ridejoburg email has just popped into my inbox... 

 

[Hairy]

37 minutes ago, ACE Cycles said:

There is also a professional manner in which to address complaints to ensure that the matter gets resolved. 

I'd rather celebrate an extremely successful, 3000 rider event than shame them publicly over one small oversight 

Pending the complaint.
 

A designated trash zone would be very obvious to have cleaned up before closing up shop for the day.

[Hairy]

25 minutes ago, ACE Cycles said:

Absolutely, and the quickest way to bring it to their attention is by contacting them directly. As opposed to waiting for them to find out about it on social media.

What I find ridiculous is that so many people felt so disgusted about it, yet carried on riding and did nothing about it.

It didn't take me 5mins to pick it all up

Kudo's for taking 5min to pick up the mess, and then the unstated far more additional time to go out and back to the trash zone. 👍

[SwissVan]

4 hours ago, Hairy said:

If you are running a business, you make sure you deliver and make sure you close off the event in a professional manner.

You want more events, then we should also make sure organisers are held responsible.

You okes down south have way to many events 

this event is the weakest link, goodbye

 

 

[Hairy]

2 hours ago, SwissVan said:

You okes down south have way to many events 

this event is the weakest link, goodbye

 

 

Are you sitting in a snow covered wonder land at the moment, or has the snow turned to sludge?

PS, give Neff my kindest regards out that side please

[sirmoun10goat]

@ACE Cycles, you are a legend for going to clean up!

 Your comments about contacting the organisers as a starting point was exactly what I said the post from last week. I would think it’s mostly grownups on this forum, but the need to groan in social media suggests otherwise 

And as much as the organisers have accountability, they probably paid someone to man this spot and clean up. Shame on whoever took the money and did half a job. If people just do their jobs this would never have been an issue 

[Milosh]

It would not be the hub I have come to know and love without some sort of dig 😉

 

Kudos to Ace for riding up the cradle we are all so fond of.

Java on me next time ( or zamelek's ) 

Edited February 14, 2023 by Milosh

[Murrob]

Is a closed forum where members post comments on various topics social media though? I don’t think so, this was not the Twitter mob unleashed by this post, but rather a post within the cycling community.

Good on the chaps who went out to resolve the problem.

[rorydewet]

On 2/13/2023 at 9:01 AM, ACE Cycles said:

Your comment just shows me that you dont know Lenie at all. Her passion, her sacrifice and everything she does for the sport that we all love

I honestly don't see what relevance knowing the race organizer has at all

I did not ride this race why should i now accept that the area was littered after the race

not knowing this lenie person makes me objective you knowing them makes you subjective

to my mind you too close to the issue to provide any valued input

Edited February 14, 2023 by rorydewet

[ACE Cycles]

3 hours ago, rorydewet said:

I honestly don't see what relevance knowing the race organizer has at all

I did not ride this race why should i now accept that the area was littered after the race

not knowing this lenie person makes me objective you knowing them makes you subjective

to my mind you too close to the issue to provide any valued input

Well, for starters, I didn't accept that the area was littered, that's why I drove 40km to pick the trash up. Input doesn't get the job done, action does, so I couldn't care less about your "valued input"

Now, let me explain the relevance, Lenie does so much for the cycling community, she has devoted her life to the sport. Not the type of person that deserves their name to be dragged through the dirt over an obvious oversight.

[ACE Cycles]

5 hours ago, Milosh said:

It would not be the hub I have come to know and love without some sort of dig 😉

 

Kudos to Ace for riding up the cradle we are all so fond of.

Java on me next time ( or zamelek's ) 

Zamaleks please, on my off season

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14 hours ago, ACE Cycles said:

Well, for starters, I didn't accept that the area was littered, that's why I drove 40km to pick the trash up. Input doesn't get the job done, action does, so I couldn't care less about your "valued input"

Now, let me explain the relevance, Lenie does so much for the cycling community, she has devoted her life to the sport. Not the type of person that deserves their name to be dragged through the dirt over an obvious oversight.

Ace, please send me your banking details. I want to pay you for the effort and the 40km of fuel you used to go and pick up that litter. I was prepared to do it for free (and I live far away), but I think its important that you get re-imbursed for your efforts and time. 
No, really. I'm serious. I'll pay double the AA rates for your vehicle and time and give you a free lollipop. 

I do not have a horse in this race. You obviously do as the organizer is either a close friend, your mrs, your sister, your mom, or a relative of yours - of which I don't know. I admire that you stick up for her on social media - kudo's to you. But if you cannot take constructive criticism about a race organizer or a particular event then I'm afraid you cannot see the wood for the tree's. 
If they were climbing into your friend/mrs/mom/sister/relative personally then I'd probably support your efforts in defending their actions, but trying to justify why it was a mistake and then taking the credit for correcting it doesn't make you the final word on this issue. It does not, however, give you the right to criticize others as to how they call out the obvious, to which you have agreed was an obvious oversight.

Please, dont be that internet bully to others... bru

[ACE Cycles]

11 minutes ago, 117 said:

Ace, please send me your banking details. I want to pay you for the effort and the 40km of fuel you used to go and pick up that litter. I was prepared to do it for free (and I live far away), but I think its important that you get re-imbursed for your efforts and time. 
No, really. I'm serious. I'll pay double the AA rates for your vehicle and time and give you a free lollipop. 

I do not have a horse in this race. You obviously do as the organizer is either a close friend, your mrs, your sister, your mom, or a relative of yours - of which I don't know. I admire that you stick up for her on social media - kudo's to you. But if you cannot take constructive criticism about a race organizer or a particular event then I'm afraid you cannot see the wood for the tree's. 
If they were climbing into your friend/mrs/mom/sister/relative personally then I'd probably support your efforts in defending their actions, but trying to justify why it was a mistake and then taking the credit for correcting it doesn't make you the final word on this issue. It does not, however, give you the right to criticize others as to how they call out the obvious, to which you have agreed was an obvious oversight.

Please, dont be that internet bully to others... bru

Thanks, bru, you can keep your lollipop.

Constructive criticism would have gone as follows: You contact the race organisers, you thank them for their effort in putting an incredible cycling event together for us and then you make them aware of the oversight of one of their contractors in clearing the trash zone. Then you allow them reasonable time to resolve the matter. That's constructive. Labeling the event as trashy on a public forum is not constructive. So can you see why I don't find this thread constructive, in the slightest?

I have very little tolerance when it comes to keyboard warriors bitching and moaning about an event online. Especially taking into consideration the immense amount that these organisers do for the development of the sport across all levels. 

If they were simply putting event together to full their pockets and never gave back to the sport, then by all means, have a moan. Because I agree, if you're doing it for the money, you better get it right.

Now to my final point, if people we so disgusted by the mess, then how on earth do they just ride on and leave it like that? It makes zero sense to me because if something bother me, I act on it. I don't just hop online, complain about it in the hopes that something gets done about it, eventually. Hence my statement about driving there and picking the trash up, to reiterate the difference between useless complaints and action. Not for recognition and definitely not to be reimbursed. 

So, thanks for the offer, but politely, I decline