Eugene Oppelt Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 Mick Rogers winning stage file loaded on Training Peaks. 415TSS, 150mi, 6,828kJ, 9,594ft climbing, 6.5hrs, peak 20min = 6.09w/kg! Ma se hoenners...
Patchelicious Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 Have suggested this before on another posting, with similar high IF numbers, but seems guys are impressed with the high numbers. IMHO it is virtually impossible to get a weekly IF of 0.9 as it would imply riding at 90% of FTP every day, including warm up and cool down.Huh, don't you guys train FLAT out everytime, the whole time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUhcqWCRQ70
Eugene Oppelt Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 Interesting too... After the stage I told our coach that I wanted to see my data for the stage and I was averaging something like 380 Watts over the first hour of racing and over that first climb. When I saw that it was like, “Hey! That’s pretty good for an old man!” Jens the Legend's blog on bicycling.com
Bianchisti Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Would be interesting to have JV' 380watts for that first hour translated to a percentage, NO? Alternatively watts/kg????
obree Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Will do FTP Test next week Tuesday and see, I'm a hond "poefie" timetrialist and dont expect to much from my FTP test. However, coming back to high IF. Most of my training is almost all out, almost everything on IDT. workouts per Andy Coggan's Training and racing with a powermeter. So all my workouts are based on FTP, so regardless of what your FTP is, you always gonna be in a specific zone relating to your FTP. Someone doing workout NP-W4 with a FTP of 210 and someone with a FTP of 280, will have exactly the same IF at the end of the workout. Doing these on the IDT doesnt really allow for much or any coasting to speak off. You suggested that my FTP is to high I suggested FTP was 300w but was set at 280w therefore when riding at 300w you accumulate way more points than actually working for.
Boesman Benson Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Would be interesting to have JV' 380watts for that first hour translated to a percentage, NO? Alternatively watts/kg???? Jens is probably between 70 to 75kg?? That would make it around 5W/kg for that first hour. Not many Vets that can do that.
Jakkals. Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I suggested FTP was 300w but was set at 280w therefore when riding at 300w you accumulate way more points than actually working for. At least I'm getting stronger then? Will definitely do another test. My current FTP was taken from a 1h Criterium a long while ago, but then got injured and didnt adjust it down.
obree Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 At least I'm getting stronger then? Will definitely do another test. My current FTP was taken from a 1h Criterium a long while ago, but then got injured and didnt adjust it down. I use both HR and W when testing / training300w @ 140bpm, then a few weeks later 300W @ 135bpm I kinow its time for a retest. I test every 2 weeks. Testing is training!!!
andydude Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Would be interesting to have JV' 380watts for that first hour translated to a percentage, NO? Alternatively watts/kg????Jens is probably between 70 to 75kg?? That would make it around 5W/kg for that first hour. Not many Vets that can do that. 1.89m & 76kg 5w/kg on the dot
andydude Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I use both HR and W when testing / training300w @ 140bpm, then a few weeks later 300W @ 135bpm I kinow its time for a retest. I test every 2 weeks. Testing is training!!! That's quite good! What is your maximum heart rate if I may ask?
obree Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 That's quite good! What is your maximum heart rate if I may ask?that was jus an exampleI am currently FTP of 360W @ 85Kg max HR of 171fighting weight is closer to 80kg I only do quality on my homemade indoor trainer, ride indoors 3x per week road Sat and Sun. Sat is Benoni world champs 2hrs....Sun steady threshold ride 2 hrs My Blood lactate threshold is 147, so I only ride at either warm up/cool down pace or at threshold. Sessions are 2x20min / 2x30min / 4x10min / 1 x 60min big gear intervals. All sessions only 60min I do block training, so Sat & Sun hard, Mon off, Tue,Wed&Thur hard, Fri off rinse repeat..... A little training experiment on myself, been going strong for 4 months now.
Eugene Oppelt Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Jens is probably between 70 to 75kg?? That would make it around 5W/kg for that first hour. Not many Vets that can do that. 5 or so for 60 minsThat's a long time, man. Eina
Jakkals. Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Last night on the trainer, my right leg(on the inside) keep getting sore from pulling (I think) dont know if I'm doing to much on the trainer. I've been battling with this leg for a while now. come and goes.
obree Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 1.89m & 76kg 5w/kg on the dot what power meter do you use??
Eugene Oppelt Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Last night on the trainer, my right leg(on the inside) keep getting sore from pulling (I think) dont know if I'm doing to much on the trainer. I've been battling with this leg for a while now. come and goes. How much training time is on the IDTDon't think it's that good for you hey, like a spinning bike, for long periods of training. Nothing like your machine on the tarmac
Eugene Oppelt Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 what power meter do you use?? andy' is referring to Jens's power data sometime during the TdF when he was in the break (if I'm not mistaken)
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