weekly tss score

[Veebee]

How does TP calculate the calories?

 

assume just a baseline calculation done on duration. Other option would be is to just use your watch on an indoor run / workout mode ? I will try that tomorrow.

[andydude]

Joe Friel suggests using 50 TSS for an hour of strength training as a "baseline" and then adjusting based on perceived effort from there.

 

http://www.joefrielsblog.com/2016/02/the-weightlifting-pmc-part-2.html

 

Definitely not a perfect system, but to me it "feels" right compared to other sessions.

That's great, thanks.

 

I have been reading a lot about the tss and pros and cons.

 

Take for example cycling vs weights. Obviously both put stress on your body, but how to measure each? Cycling is easier, because the power/hr is a good proxy for cardovascular stress. Weights/strength is muscular so the hr won't be as good a proxy, but can still be used. But you can do weights in zone 3 and 'destroy' your muscles!

 

And then also, your have stress from work and family and sickness that should theoretically be added to a type of overall stress. That's why it's important to make notes with your training to understand how the tss, atl, ctl and tsb numbers relate to you. You might perform very differently with the same training numbers due to other stresses.

[Sparkles]

I know this will probably not go down well and it is just in my humble (layman) opinion but I'm not in favour of using data that is not measured and calculated towards my CTL (TSS) . RPE is rather a difficult thing to quantify at least in my experience.

 

As an example for myself ... if for some reason I have no HR/Power data for a session I do not manually try to guess and add in that session I just have to 'Frozen' it and let it .......

 

It probably has something to do with your primary purpose of using the PMC.  If your number one goal is on your fitness (CTL) then I would also be weary to "claim" something towards my fitness measurement that is not reliable.. 

 

However, if you use it primarily to understand your form (TSB) I would think that you are ignoring a part of the equation by not logging a workout that caused stress on your body.

[Jurgens Smit]

That's great, thanks.

 

I have been reading a lot about the tss and pros and cons.

 

Take for example cycling vs weights. Obviously both put stress on your body, but how to measure each? Cycling is easier, because the power/hr is a good proxy for cardovascular stress. Weights/strength is muscular so the hr won't be as good a proxy, but can still be used. But you can do weights in zone 3 and 'destroy' your muscles!

 

And then also, your have stress from work and family and sickness that should theoretically be added to a type of overall stress. That's why it's important to make notes with your training to understand how the tss, atl, ctl and tsb numbers relate to you. You might perform very differently with the same training numbers due to other stresses.

 

I'd like to find a way to get it as accurate as possible.

 

1 idea with which I've been toying is to convert each squat into a effort of watts. With that effort per set you can calculate NP/avg using the TP formulas.**

 

The other would be to mark your session as an IDT workout and just measure HR.

 

**Squats would be the easiest to measure. But I'm sure a formula/Algorithm can be calculated for other exercises (where weights are involved)

[thisismyotherbike]

 

The other would be to mark your session as an IDT workout and just measure HR.

 

 

That's been my approach.  It measures pretty low but I'm happy with it

[NotSoBigBen]

It probably has something to do with your primary purpose of using the PMC.  If your number one goal is on your fitness (CTL) then I would also be weary to "claim" something towards my fitness measurement that is not reliable.. 

 

However, if you use it primarily to understand your form (TSB) I would think that you are ignoring a part of the equation by not logging a workout that caused stress on your body.

 

You are 100% correct I would say .... if you were an elite athlete wanting to win races by being 100% ready for your next event then that would be crucial. For a weekend warrior such as myself, I just want to try keep my fitness at a decent level and keep an eye on that only

[andydude]

I'd like to find a way to get it as accurate as possible.

 

1 idea with which I've been toying is to convert each squat into a effort of watts. With that effort per set you can calculate NP/avg using the TP formulas.**

 

The other would be to mark your session as an IDT workout and just measure HR.

 

**Squats would be the easiest to measure. But I'm sure a formula/Algorithm can be calculated for other exercises (where weights are involved)

That's the kind of things I'm also thinking about.

 

I would say that there are two negatives in using your hr for strength training. One is that you will overestimate your fitness, because weights increase hr, but not really your cardio fitness. Two is that you will underestimate your fatigue/overestimate your form, for the same reason as one.

 

The big problem is that you are trying to add apples by counting oranges. TSS works for all endurance sports, because the principle is the same. But how do you add a muscular orange to an endurance apple?

 

Let me think and read a bit.

 

Any ideas?

[Spinnekop]

On all things training and TSS and graphs and etc.

Go have a look at Stages' net Link s/w.  Web based and based on the Mytrainingday stuff, this is kinda awesome.

 

I'll be playing a bit with it for a couple of days to see if there is any good value long term. 

 

GC still remains my main go to program.
 

[Jurgens Smit]

That's the kind of things I'm also thinking about.

 

I would say that there are two negatives in using your hr for strength training. One is that you will overestimate your fitness, because weights increase hr, but not really your cardio fitness. Two is that you will underestimate your fatigue/overestimate your form, for the same reason as one.

 

I didn't really consider the cardio fitness aspect.

 

The big problem is that you are trying to add apples by counting oranges. TSS works for all endurance sports, because the principle is the same. But how do you add a muscular orange to an endurance apple?

 

My guess for the endurance + muscular would be to find a correlation between the 2 (ie how does pure strength affect endurance) there should be a constant factor to form a formula.

 

Thus it would look something like 0.5Strength = Cardio Fitness. 

Let me think and read a bit.

 

Any ideas?

 

Based on the above comments.

 

Say you are doing a squat workout, you will have to calculate your TSS manually (from the watt conversion I mentioned earlier) {call this strength TSS or tTSS}

 

Then multiply the constant factor (call this K)

 

So the TSS you input into TP should look like (K)(tTSS)

 

By far the hardest part of this equation would be finding the constant K

 

 

 

But, this would just be for the weekend warriors or Avg athletes.

 

Proper Coaches will factor in the effect a strength training session has into their program planning and program accordingly. 

 

 

Edit2:

https://www.nsca.com/education/articles/resistance_training_effect_on_endurance/

[andydude]

Based on the above comments.

 

Say you are doing a squat workout, you will have to calculate your TSS manually (from the watt conversion I mentioned earlier) {call this strength TSS or tTSS}

 

Then multiply the constant factor (call this K)

 

So the TSS you input into TP should look like (K)(tTSS)

 

By far the hardest part of this equation would be finding the constant K

 

 

 

But, this would just be for the weekend warriors or Avg athletes.

 

Proper Coaches will factor in the effect a strength training session has into their program planning and program accordingly.

 

 

Edit2:

https://www.nsca.com/education/articles/resistance_training_effect_on_endurance/

I like the way you are thinking.

 

And thinking about my previous post now, you can do weights at a lower hr, thus the K is almost already taken into account.

 

Using hr would mean your strength sessions won't have that much impact on fitness. E.g. one hour reps and rest would average a low zone 1/2 hr.

 

But it will hurt you on your tsb/form which will show that your fatigue is low, but your legs will be dead.

 

So you want something showing not a lot of tss, but showing worse tsb. Because if you take a week off of cycling and do five leg sessions, your fitness would not have deteriorated much and your form would be great! But your legs would be dead.

 

Excuse me if it doesn't make sense. I am thinking out load.

[Jurgens Smit]

I like the way you are thinking.

 

And thinking about my previous post now, you can do weights at a lower hr, thus the K is almost already taken into account.

 

Using hr would mean your strength sessions won't have that much impact on fitness. E.g. one hour reps and rest would average a low zone 1/2 hr.

 

But it will hurt you on your tsb/form which will show that your fatigue is low, but your legs will be dead.

 

So you want something showing not a lot of tss, but showing worse tsb. Because if you take a week off of cycling and do five leg sessions, your fitness would not have deteriorated much and your form would be great! But your legs would be dead.

 

Excuse me if it doesn't make sense. I am thinking out load.

 

I've actually been thinking.

 

The normal TSS would not be an issue, seeing as interval training is essentially on bike training and has more or less the same stimulus as gym strength work.

 

Intervals being low torque high rpm, strength work high torque low rpm.

 

Could one thus remove the K factor from the equation seeing as one doesn't mess with the formula when uploading on bike intervals?

 

I'll play around with a few ways of this algorithm and have a chat with my coach and see what he thinks 

[andydude]

I've actually been thinking.

 

The normal TSS would not be an issue, seeing as interval training is essentially on bike training and has more or less the same stimulus as gym strength work.

 

Intervals being low torque high rpm, strength work high torque low rpm.

 

Could one thus remove the K factor from the equation seeing as one doesn't mess with the formula when uploading on bike intervals?

 

I'll play around with a few ways of this algorithm and have a chat with my coach and see what he thinks

Yeah kind of what I'm thinking as well.

 

Do you or anybody have an example of a gym session and tss and if using hr?

 

The tsb/form would be an issue though.

[Jurgens Smit]

Yeah kind of what I'm thinking as well.

 

Do you or anybody have an example of a gym session and tss and if using hr?

 

The tsb/form would be an issue though.

 

Doing some gym work tomorrow, will measure everything and post it up here 

[Jakkals.]

Hope the fatigue has set in from all this weeks training.

My knee has a bit of an ache but should be ok. will check cleats etc if all is still ok.

[andydude]

Doing some gym work tomorrow, will measure everything and post it up here

And how did it go?

[Jurgens Smit]

And how did it go?

 

Sorry bud, did the exercises, just haven't had time to calculate everything. Exams and all

 

Anyway, the thing of having an engineer in the house and myself studying applied math and physics with computing aspects, my father and I started fiddling around and made a few changes.

 

Will update a bit later.