weekly tss score

[awesme]

Could be interesting to know what the split is for indoor and outdoor %'s for these TSS's are.

 

G

[Veebee]

last week

 

TSS: 584

IF: .70

 

outdoor: 334 TSS

indoor: 250 TSS

 

pushing for a big week, on 210 already after 2 outdoor rides.

[Stricker]

Anyone on Wattsboard and TP?

 

How do the two compare WRT TSS etc?

Im using Wattsboard and somehow the number seems a little high.

 

Based on Wattsboard my numbers for last week:

 

896 TSS

12.30 Hours

68% Intensity 

 

[J Wakefield]

Anyone on Wattsboard and TP?

 

How do the two compare WRT TSS etc?

Im using Wattsboard and somehow the number seems a little high.

 

Based on Wattsboard my numbers for last week:

 

896 TSS

12.30 Hours

68% Intensity 

 

Im not familiar with WB but that TSS / Hours / hours doesn't look 100% correct in terms of totals. that would be about a 500 - 600tss or so.

[Fat Boab]

(be gentle on me......as I can't face reading 76 pages of this thread).

 

Am I correct in this assumption? Power meter data uploaded to various training websites allow you to view summarised performance metrics, TSS amongst others? If so, are the correlations/equations used to calculate TSS, amongst others, widely known?

 

 

[Stricker]

Im not familiar with WB but that TSS / Hours / hours doesn't look 100% correct in terms of totals. that would be about a 500 - 600tss or so.

Hi John, as always appreciate your advise.

 

Will just take Sundays race numbers on Wattsboard:

 

Time : 2:05

TSS : 154

IF : 84

 

When looking at the 60min @ FTP =100tss

Would assume you take your NP and not AVG Power.

 

Tnx

[Spinnekop]

Hi John, as always appreciate your advise.

 

Will just take Sundays race numbers on Wattsboard:

 

Time : 2:05

TSS : 154

IF : 84

 

When looking at the 60min @ FTP =100tss

Would assume you take your NP and not AVG Power.

 

Tnx

If I may..........

And John will know infinitely more than me.....

 

But for me, I use Avg.

Ultimately you want to know (for yourself) what you can or cannot do in an hour.

 

In a race I KNOW I can handle 280w avg.

If you base this on a FTP value that was calculated on NP (not avg) and you did your FTP on a very hilly coarse, you will miss your mark BIG time.

 

But that is just personal.

 

Any proper FTP test will give you an almost the same NP and AVE power number.

[Stricker]

If I may..........

And John will know infinitely more than me.....

 

But for me, I use Avg.

Ultimately you want to know (for yourself) what you can or cannot do in an hour.

 

In a race I KNOW I can handle 280w avg.

If you base this on a FTP value that was calculated on NP (not avg) and you did your FTP on a very hilly coarse, you will miss your mark BIG time.

 

But that is just personal.

 

Any proper FTP test will give you an almost the same NP and AVE power number.

Tnx for reply spinnekop.

 

Judging from what i can see wattsboard work it out from NP.

 

My power for the race:

 

235 Avg

270 NP

Current FTP set at 310

 

So based on the above

They worked my TSS out on NP and not AVG.

 

Could this be the reason for my inflated TSS per week as per wattsboard?

[J Wakefield]

Hi John, as always appreciate your advise.

 

Will just take Sundays race numbers on Wattsboard:

 

Time : 2:05

TSS : 154

IF : 84

 

When looking at the 60min @ FTP =100tss

Would assume you take your NP and not AVG Power.

 

Tnx

 

 

If I may..........

And John will know infinitely more than me.....

 

But for me, I use Avg.

Ultimately you want to know (for yourself) what you can or cannot do in an hour.

 

In a race I KNOW I can handle 280w avg.

If you base this on a FTP value that was calculated on NP (not avg) and you did your FTP on a very hilly coarse, you will miss your mark BIG time.

 

But that is just personal.

 

Any proper FTP test will give you an almost the same NP and AVE power number.

 

 

 

I also use AVG not NP power and what Spidey has said I agree with in total.

 

To have 77tss per hour is a proper effort - are your values correct? 

[Stricker]

I also use AVG not NP power and what Spidey has said I agree with in total.

 

To have 77tss per hour is a proper effort - are your values correct?

Guesstimate would be +3/5% on current ftp..but nothing over the top

 

Did a zone 2 ride yesterday on IDT in Erg Mode

 

200watts avg for 2:00

 

Wattsboard telling me 101 TSS

If worked back to 60min@FTP=100TSS formula it should have been in the 120s..

 

Could it be that it takes HR into consideration as well as Watts?

 

Tnx

[shaper]

Guesstimate would be +3/5% on current ftp..but nothing over the top

 

Did a zone 2 ride yesterday on IDT in Erg Mode

 

200watts avg for 2:00

 

Wattsboard telling me 101 TSS

If worked back to 60min@FTP=100TSS formula it should have been in the 120s..

 

Could it be that it takes HR into consideration as well as Watts?

 

Tnx

Think it would be better to email the developer of the software you are using to find out how they calculate the TSS?

 

Apart from Trainingpeaks, your garmin will also tell you your TSS which you can view on Garmin Connect for comparison.

[Fat Boab]

(be gentle on me......as I can't face reading 76 pages of this thread).

 

Am I correct in this assumption? Power meter data uploaded to various training websites allow you to view summarised performance metrics, TSS amongst others? If so, are the correlations/equations used to calculate TSS, amongst others, widely known?

 

 

So answering my own query, based on the recent discussion, the correlations aren't readily available!

 

Surely they're available on the internet, or even the scientific literature somewhere?

 

if they are multi-factorial, trying to back-track from field data is very difficult to do...

[shaper]

So answering my own query, based on the recent discussion, the correlations aren't readily available!

 

Surely they're available on the internet, or even the scientific literature somewhere?

 

if they are multi-factorial, trying to back-track from field data is very difficult to do...

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/estimating-training-stress-score-tss/

[Fat Boab]

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/estimating-training-stress-score-tss/

 

 

Yeah, I just looked that up. Doesn't that address most of today's discussion?

 

Anyway, has anyone explored Bannister’s heart rate-based training impulse method? For those without a power meter?

[J Wakefield]

Guesstimate would be +3/5% on current ftp..but nothing over the top

 

Did a zone 2 ride yesterday on IDT in Erg Mode

 

200watts avg for 2:00

 

Wattsboard telling me 101 TSS

If worked back to 60min@FTP=100TSS formula it should have been in the 120s..

 

Could it be that it takes HR into consideration as well as Watts?

 

Tnx

 

Zone 2 ride for 2 hours is not a 100 or 120 tss ride. That is 75-85tss if done correctly and values are correct. 

 

It could be taking HR into consideration yes, but then again the scores wont differ all that much and would typically be lower than power. 

[fanievb]

Zone 2 ride for 2 hours is not a 100 or 120 tss ride. That is 75-85tss if done correctly and values are correct. 

 

It could be taking HR into consideration yes, but then again the scores wont differ all that much and would typically be lower than power. 

 

redo ftp?

 

can you suggest a FTP test protocol on the IDT?

 

I recall you mentioning shorter test than the Coggan 20 min test