LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[DaleE]

My Vitality cholesterol feedback after this weekend:

Nice ne, but I think it is safe to presume that my HDL is now low as well. Is this bad?

 

"safe to presume" .... nope. You cannot infer any HDL value from a total cholesterol number. Vitality would have measured HDL and LDL. Ask them for the values.

Yes, low HDL is bad. >1,3 is target range. >2 and you get a gold star

[Tracey8670]

I need help. A friend of mine has been LCHF for 5 weeks. He has lost an amazing 8kg. He went for his cholesterol test and the doctor is saying his cholesterol levels are so high he WILL have a heart attack and not even meds will help him now.

 

I have read hundreds of studies and am so convinced that this way of eating is correct, but I have a little doubt on this one and am concerned.

 

I would imagine that his results are total cholesterol and I have asked hom to get LDL and HDL results.

 

How can we go about making sure that this is the correct diet for him?

 

THANKS FOR ALL THE RESPONSES - a tiny seed of doubt can so easily de-rail unless you keep a clear head and ask questions. Appreciated. I just hope this china now does what we have all suggested - WAIT and then re-test. And... see someone who isnt stuck in the dark-ages of science and nutrition.

[Tracey8670]

Noakes diet unproven - UCT scientists

 

August 25 2014 at 06:00am

By Francesca Villette

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Professor Tim Noakes. Picture: Antoine de Ras

 

Cape Town - Sport scientist Tim Noakes is making “outrageous, unproven claims about disease prevention” in advocating a high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet, says UCT’s Faculty of Health Sciences.

This comes after MPs and staff at Parliament expressed support for the diet after Noakes spoke to them and warned about South Africa’s obesity “epidemic”.

 

But academics in the health sciences are worried that the diet has no real scientific evidence to back it up, Wim de Villiers, dean of the faculty at UCT, says in a letter to the Cape Times.

“The message it sends out to the public about healthy eating is cause for deep concern – not only regarding Parliament’s support for it as an evidence-based ‘diet revolution’, but sadly, the long-term impact this may have on the health of the very people they have been elected to serve,” says the letter, signed by De Villiers and three other academics.

De Villiers said that while the consumption of a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet might lead to initial weight loss, there was “good reason” to believe it could result in nutritional deficiencies, and increase the risk of heart disease, diabetes, kidney problems, constipation and some cancers.

Noakes, a professor at UCT, has hit back, saying the university has continually misrepresented his message about the diet.

“An outline of the scientific evidence for my position is presented in about 20 000 words in our book Real Meal Revolution.

“That work includes references to the most important scientific works supporting my interpretation,” he said.

De Villiers said that by promoting his diet as revolutionary, Noakes was vilifying the integrity and credibility of those who criticised the lack of evidence for the benefits of his diet. It was also contrary to UCT’s principle of academic freedom.

De Villiers said yon Sunday he advocated a balanced diet of foods from all food groups. The human body needed a range of nutrients to survive.

“Diets like Banting are, however, typically ‘one dimensional’ in focus. They promote increased intake of protein- and fat-containing foods at the expense of healthy carbohydrate-containing foods, and focus on adherence to a limited food plan,” De Villiers said.

Luzuko Jacobs, spokesman for Parliament, said Noakes had been invited on more than one occasion to speak about health and wellness. “We aim to offer a variety of speakers when it comes to the topic of wellness.… that he spoke in Parliament… does not mean we are entering into any kind of partnership with him.”

Noakes said a high-carbohydrate diet was detrimental to the health of people with insulin resistance.

“If that message is without scientific support, then the faculty has every right to cross the civil divide as it has now chosen – an action which, I suspect, is unprecedented in the history of the faculty and perhaps also in the history of UCT.”

He added: “Carbohydrate restriction in this group can be profoundly beneficial as it can reverse obesity and in some cases Type 2 diabetes mellitus – the two conditions that will ultimately bankrupt South African medical services unless we take appropriate preventive actions.

“If there is evidence for my position, then the faculty is guilty of failing fully to inform its past and present science, medical and dietetics graduates in a manner that should be appropriate for a faculty that considers itself a world leader.”

francesca.villette@inl.co.za

Cape Times http://www.iol.co.za...04#.U_rcaPoaKmQ

 

Firstly, I have NEVER heard Prof Noakes say his diet is revolutionary. His book is called "Real Meal Revolution" which speaks so accurately - we have had to revolutionise the way we eat. So, first mistake.

 

Secondly, what's unbalanced about this diet? We still get all the nutrients from every food group (excepting where breads, cereals and grains are concerned) - just in the correct quantities.

 

Thirdly, nowhere does the diet propose an increase in protein - on the contrary its clear that it needs to be MODERATED. The Atkins diets does propose and increase in proteins, and this diet is similar but NOT the same in this respect.

 

Fourthly, where is the evidence of heart disease? Diabetes - the Prof proves this is crap. Kidney problems - evidence? Constipation : valid, but this is hardly death-defying. Cancer?? Dr Craig Thompson, President and CEO of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Centre says that eating fat, we do not increase the risk of cancer, but eating carbs definitely increases the risk of cancer. Prof Noakes explains that cancer feeds off carbs and sugars - if you starve the body of this - you starve the body of increasing its risk.

 

Fifth, can the thousands of people who have benefited from eating this way (come off statins, BP meds, diabetic meds, lost hundreds of kilo's) all be wrong??

 

Sixth : I think this is professional jealousy and a selfish concern about losing face. The fact that these scientists do not have the balls to even consider that they may be wrong is the crux of the matter - its based on losing face.

 

I say : PROF NOAKES FOR PREZ...

[tombeej]

I also think that we're missing a trick in allowing people to continue calling it the 'Tim Noakes diet'. It's not. He's just one of the specialists who advocate it. It's much, much bigger than him - a world that is waking up.

 

Sure, he's just the main personality in SA openly advocating the movement, but SA is just a minuscule backwater of the world. The rest of the first world is driving this - we're far behind.

 

The problem with people being allowed to call it the 'Tim Noakes diet' is that they can attack it by isolating him, asking him where all his own research is, making out that he's a lone wacko with wacko ideas, etc. It allows them to ignore everything that is happening worldwide, the many, many other studies that have been published, the many specialists (including cardiologists) coming round to the banting idea, etc.

 

I'm sure Prof. Noakes would be the first to agree that people stop naming it after him and see that it's much bigger than him. I'm sure that's precisely why he's always trying to call it the banting diet.

[Excite_Bike]

Hi Tracy,

 

IF the doc is making that comment based on a total (serum)cholesterol value only ... run a mile ... go find a real doctor. Seriously, total cholesterol is at VERY best an indicator to start looking at other stuff only - that's all it is. Making decisions based on this number madness - it's 50 year old technology.

The topic is far too large to handle in real detail here - LD, HDL, non-HDL, ApoA1, ApoB, Triglycerides, CRP, HbA1c, etc, etc are all factors to look at if you're worried about heart health and certainly need to be looked at before considering statins.

Suggest you have a look at "Cholesterol Clarity" book by Westman and Moore for starters. Then go find a real doc or cardiologist.

 

Lastly, as someone already said .... 5 weeks in is still part of adaptation and weight loss can increase LDL in particular. If it was me, I'd wait till weight loss is finished and consistently low carb for 3 months, then have a look at a cholesterol if you want to. BUT - I'm not a doctor, so don't take my word for it - do some research.

 

I have copied a youtube link below. Sorry not sure how to embed it here. Neverthe less, its regarding the truth about sugar. Its a rather long and technical video, but if you go to around 36:30, the speaker gives a good explanation for LDL. The other interesting thing is that the video was posted over 5 years ago.

He basically says that you get two types of LDL, light fluffy and heavy dense. The way to deffrentiate between the two is to look at your Triglycerides. If Triglycerides are low then LDL is light and fluffy, which is good.

[deanbean]

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/ways-change-diet-stopping-statins/story-22762699-detail/story.html#iE5jc6dozf7tzr5K.01

[deanbean]

I have copied a youtube link below. Sorry not sure how to embed it here. Neverthe less, its regarding the truth about sugar. Its a rather long and technical video, but if you go to around 36:30, the speaker gives a good explanation for LDL. The other interesting thing is that the video was posted over 5 years ago.

He basically says that you get two types of LDL, light fluffy and heavy dense. The way to deffrentiate between the two is to look at your Triglycerides. If Triglycerides are low then LDL is light and fluffy, which is good.

http://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM

 

Click on the "Special BB Code icon to the left of the font selector, and then on Media and and paste the link in, and Bobs your uncle

[davetapson]

 

Tracey, this post from krouxsa might be something your friend needs to investigate (familial hypercholesterolemia).

 

Just like there are people who can't handle carbs (diabetics), it's becoming increasingly apparent to me that there will be a section of the population that will react badly to a LCHF diet.

 

My sister (the dietician I've mentioned before in this thread) recently had a series of genetic tests done and the results were quite interesting. They showed her body has a poorer than average ability to process saturated fats and a better than average response to proteins. So for her a high protein, low saturated fat diet would seem to be preferable.

 

My plan is to have the same genetic testing done next time I make a trip to JHB. I can't remember where she had them done, will have to ask her.

Interesting stuff

[HappyMartin]

I was in Upington few days ago and on one of the restaurants had what they called a Tim Noakes sandwich.

 

Hanging around in that part of the world on 4X4 trails and camping sites you get a horrifying picture of the size of the nation. Looks like boeps are handed out with bakkies. Scary

[tombeej]

Did anyone see in the Sunday Times an article on the first dedicated banting restaurant in SA?

 

Here's more about it:

 

World's first restaurant entirely dedicated to the Banting lifestyle launches in Cape Town

 

On Friday, 22nd August 2014 a consortium of Banters opened the world’s first restaurant dedicated to the Banting dining lifestyle, at 47 Main Road, Green Point (in front of the prestigious Cape Royale Luxury Hotel).

 

This 120 seat upscale restaurant is called The Banting Kitchen and will provide low carb, good fat, wholesome, traditional food for breakfast and dinner seven days a week, as well as for lunch over weekends.

 

Article here.

[Excite_Bike]

Did anyone see in the Sunday Times an article on the first dedicated banting restaurant in SA?

 

Here's more about it:

 

World's first restaurant entirely dedicated to the Banting lifestyle launches in Cape Town

 

On Friday, 22nd August 2014 a consortium of Banters opened the world’s first restaurant dedicated to the Banting dining lifestyle, at 47 Main Road, Green Point (in front of the prestigious Cape Royale Luxury Hotel).

 

This 120 seat upscale restaurant is called The Banting Kitchen and will provide low carb, good fat, wholesome, traditional food for breakfast and dinner seven days a week, as well as for lunch over weekends.

 

Article here.

There are a few resturants getting on on the banting band wagon. My wife told me the other day that the Dros (not sure if it is all of them) has introduced some banting items to their menu.

There is a new banting magazine out called Lose It. In either issue 1 or 2, they give a list of resturants with banting options.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Excite_Bike

[Excite_Bike]

My Bulletproof Coffee station

Where did you buy that MCT oil? When I ask the staff at Dischem, I get blank expressions.

[SimpleDom]

Where did you buy that MCT oil? When I ask the staff at Dischem, I get blank expressions.

They keep it with the coconut oil and olive oil.

[jcza]

Do you really need "Banting" restaurants? I order steak & salad and/or veg with a glass of red.

[Helpmytrap]

Do you really need "Banting" restaurants? I order steak & salad and/or veg with a glass of red.

Some people saw a gap I guess. Market the same food slightly differently and bob's your uncle.

[An3]

Spur has a Low Carb Breakfast option.