Cycle Science in Broadacres Sells Fake Pinarello

[Brogue]

Ja but could be collusion. Shop may have been asked to invoice ABC knowing it was a replica (not a fake) so that it could be insured for full value etc. then something went wrooooonnnnngg

Don`t insurance companies ask for frame numbers anymore?

I had to supply serial number and copy of invoice to my insurer

The first items of documentation I ask for when underwriting a new risk are:

• Invoice
  
• Photos
  
• Valuation
  
• Serial numbers (where applicable)
  

Without those I don't accept it. Even greater detail is requested in the event of a claim against the policy. The OP doesn't strike me as "dodge", he has played open cards from Post #1. I can't say the same for the LBS however.

 

 

It's obviously been a long day, your attention spans are waning

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[eddy]

hi ,i have a 65.1 dogma that i imported and i now that mine is a oem model , im riding it for 15 mounths now and i am very happy with it . But i now what i have paid for it , i can not complain. Today MOST top end bikes are made in the east asia . when they get sent to italy (EG). IF THERE are cosmetics problems on theme it becames a (oem model). i fill we get taken for a ride by all the importers in SA . mine is eng thread. my does not have the made in italy on yhe down tube. yes no serial number under bb. I fell for you ,if you were charged an arm and a leg.

 

It is hard to figure out what you are saying, but from what i can make out, you do NOT have a "65.1 dogma". You have something that LOOKS like a Dogma.

 

I don't have a view if it is a good bike or not, but don't fool yourself.

 

Also, and again without commenting on quality, your bike most certainly did not come out as a Pina "oem model". Pinarello do not sell "cosmetically blemished" bikes off the back of a truck, nor will they allow the factory making their frames to do so and thus to undermine their brand.

 

Be proud of your ride, it may well have come out a reputable factory, but don't be a fake. You fool nobody by calling it a Dogma. Sad really.

 

 

[Brogue]

The only thing that hmm miss me is if I were in that position my recourse would be.

1. Contact supplier.

2. If no joy contact my legal.

3. Then contact social media.

 

This seems to have been done wrong way round.

 

I done know either party, but from what I see here everything is dodgy. But that is just me.

 

The money as stake here is huge in my book and there is just too much ........ at the moment. Will like to see what the courts say. I believe both are going to such on the hind tit from reading between the lines.

 

Sorry bud, please clarify the highlighted part above, it doesn't read well.

[Tjokkits]

hi ,i have a 65.1 dogma that i imported and i now that mine is a oem model , im riding it for 15 mounths now and i am very happy with it . But i now what i have paid for it , i can not complain. Today MOST top end bikes are made in the east asia . when they get sent to italy (EG). IF THERE are cosmetics problems on theme it becames a (oem model). i fill we get taken for a ride by all the importers in SA . mine is eng thread. my does not have the made in italy on yhe down tube. yes no serial number under bb. I fell for you ,if you were charged an arm and a leg.

 

Huh

[Caerus]

Interesting that on that link to Ali Express, you can buy the customised fake Dogma for $627. Scroll right down to the bottom of the page.

 

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-1K-red-black-full-carbon-bike-bicycle-frame-frameset-p5-s5-R5-colnago-m10-BMC/1588232802.html

[jimmy hardtail]

So who needs a bike shop when you can get a dogma frame off the interweb for seven grand...

[shaper]

So who needs a bike shop when you can get a dogma frame off the interweb for seven grand...

This seems to be the issue, they got it off the web and then charged a fortune through their shop for it....

[Caerus]

Gosh, not even a Giant is safe from being faked, I have this same frame

 

Could there be other shops/ people possibly doing something similar?

[Lexx]

The Chinese are slowly but surely invading our Country. They first start with the Cycling, then the cars, and then our Government. After that, we must just eat rice and have 1 child.

[Smartie]

Gosh, not even a Giant is safe from being faked, I have this same frame

 

Could there be other shops/ people possibly doing something similar?

 

The repercussions of Cycle Science's actions is that bike shops doing honest business will start to be questioned as well. I would not be happy if I was a honest bike shop.

 

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[Ramrod]

 

 

The repercussions of Cycle Science's actions is that bike shops doing honest business will start to be questioned as well. I'd would not be happy if I was a honest bike shop.

 

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i disagree. I know my lbs in honest. That's why I support him. Yes I look around for the bargain here and there but in the end I go back to him. Why? Because I know and he knows that if anything goes wrong that he will fix it!

[BarHugger]

......maybe a good time for CS to apply the Bushido Code.........and regain some personal honor by performing business seppuku.......

[Smartie]

i disagree. I know my lbs in honest. That's why I support him. Yes I look around for the bargain here and there but in the end I go back to him. Why? Because I know and he knows that if anything goes wrong that he will fix it!

 

Agree. I trust my LBS as well. I am rather referring to new customers who do not have a personal relationship with the bike shop. They may not trust the bike shop after reading a thread like this (if they are in the market for a frame that is easily copied).

 

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[intern]

Cycle Science Reply to Armstrongs letters on Hub

1. On advice from our Counsel we shall not respond substantively to the content of your posting across social media platforms including Cycle Hub and Facebook on 01 April 2014 at this stage and not doing so shall in no way either be construed as an admission of the content or a waiver of our right to reply substantively in the appropriate forum should this become necessary, which right is strictly reserved.

2. The dispute pertaining between us in this regard shall (on your legal representative’s advice) shortly be the subject matter of litigation which we shall vigorously oppose on (among others) the grounds detailed through the exchange of correspondence between our respective legal representatives over approximately the past month.

3. Among the malicious injurious falsehoods you are persisting in disseminating across social media platforms is your posting on 02 April 2014 of the invoice issued for goods purchased by yourself dated 21 November 2013 while deliberately neglecting to disclose that (as you are abundantly aware) you specifically agreed to and paid only R 37 500-00 for the bicycle (consisting of a frame (at your insistence sprayed a particular shade of black), head set, handle bars, wheels and saddle column) sourced exclusively for you at your insistence and request pursuant to the agreement concluded between us.

4. The balance of the amount paid by you was for the purchase of a Campagnolo Record (Electronic) group set (consisting of the pedal’s, crank’s, bottom bracket, bearings, front and rear derailers, chain, gear cluster, cables, chain blades and brake mechanisms), a Sella Italia saddle, tyres and tubes for the bicycle and certain related miscellaneous items.

5. You have similarly deliberately neglected to disclose across the social media platforms that (a) having taken delivery of the completed bicycle on or about beginning December 2013 you enjoy a five year warranty (fully supported by us) on the bicycle and components, that (b) you in fact used the bicycle without complaint for several months and that © on numerous occasions over the aforementioned period you informed us and others that the bicycle you had purchased from us gave you the best ride you had ever experienced.

6. Should you continue spreading malicious injurious falsehoods across social media platforms and / or otherwise we shall not hesitate to institute such legal proceedings as may be available to us to protect our good name and standing in the cycling industry.

7. Furthermore we shall institute and prosecute such claim against you as may be available to us in order to recover the substantial damage your recent action across social media platforms and through engaging with our existing clients has already (and continues) to cause to our business.

8. Finally we shall under no circumstances whatsoever be drawn into “litigation” via social media platforms and / or correspondence and confirm that any legal action eventually instituted by yourself shall be vigorously opposed.

9. Needless to state our rights remain strictly reserved.

 

Plain as daylight these chaps are wriggling to get out of an untenable position. Most of what's stated above has eff all to do with the crime. So what if AA thought the bike was the best ride he'd ever had - what's that to do with the price of Chinarellos?

[BrianMTB]

Spare a thought for the people (who knows how many) who, upon seeing this thread, rushed to their Pinarellos, palms sweating, hearts racing and with a sense of impending doom turned their prized steeds over only to confirm their worst nightmare... no official serial number.

 

That would ruin my year and I would not wish such a thing on my worst enemy. I would be nuclear by now if I was Andrew.

[Ramrod]

 

 

Agree. I trust my LBS as well. I am rather referring to new customers who do not have a personal relationship with the bike shop. They may not trust the bike shop after reading a thread like this (if they are in the market for a frame that is easily copied).

 

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i gotcha now.