Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[Stretch]

Awesome story that transcends the running and show us your pets thread

 

 

https://thisislovepodcast.com/episode-24-gobi

 

"In June of 2016, Dion Leonard attempted one of the toughest races in the world—155 miles through the Gobi Desert. At the start of day two, he looked down and saw a little brown dog chewing on his shoes. Dion and the little dog were about to embark on an adventure that would change both of their lives."

[SeaBee]

Thank you guys for all this info/comments about running to power. (Much more interesting than all the poo stories  ) 

I started a 12 week Zwift cycling training program, based on power output and I can already see a huge improvement with my cycling. I never thought about trying it with my running.

 

I downloaded the Garmin Power App, looking forward to giving this a try. 

Hacc, I'm also on a Zwift program. And then came Scott week and I did Nino's VO2max session tonight. If you (or anybody else) was wondering how long 5 min's can become, try it while it is available. But basically: 5 min at 90 cadence and 125% FTP, 3 min rest... repeat... repeat... reepeeeat... reeeepeeeeeat...

[SwissVan]

Awesome story that transcends the running and show us your pets thread

 

 

https://thisislovepodcast.com/episode-24-gobi

 

"In June of 2016, Dion Leonard attempted one of the toughest races in the world—155 miles through the Gobi Desert. At the start of day two, he looked down and saw a little brown dog chewing on his shoes. Dion and the little dog were about to embark on an adventure that would change both of their lives."

 

 

Great story

 

Busy listening to another dog related one

 

https://thisislovepodcast.com/episode-20-roselle-and-michael

[Stretch]

Great story

 

Busy listening to another dog related one

 

https://thisislovepodcast.com/episode-20-roselle-and-michael

Very good one.. This whole season is excellent. The first one about the wolves is definitely worth a listen

[Lexx]

So, I commented yesterday that I would be keen to try a run using the Garmin data field. I never got to run, for reasons posted below, but I have since found an app on the Apple Watch (Power2Run) which Is keen to try in parallel with my Garmin. So if you see someone running with two devices on, it’s me, not DCRainmaker.

 

As for the reason not to run, I had to change plans as I got the news from my Mom that my Dad has passed away. We knew it was coming and we said our goodbyes on Saturday. My next run, like last night’s Zwift ride, might just empty the tank.

Oh man, i am so sorry to hear that..

[Lexx]

Outside of the distance variable between the Up and the Down, another factor to consider is that up until 60k (Hillcrest) into the Down you are still net uphill. It only really starts dropping in the last 30k.

 

Then you have to factor in the physical aspect. For the stronger (faster) runners will benefit from the last 30k in pace terms and if you look through the results of the top 20 men you can often see this reflected. However on Fields etc you can't take maximum advantage on the drop without doing significant damage to your legs. The overall hammering your legs take on the last 30k is substantial and left many runners with their dreams disappearing as fast as. 

 

So you have had to work really hard up until 60k mark to keep your pace up and then have to push hard on those fatigued legs. it is a very different dynamic transitioning from a decent like Fields on to the relative flat of the highway around Pinetown.

 

On the up run, you effectively plateau from 40km (Botha's) and have far easier down gradients to run which means your legs get beaten less and can maintain a steadier pace. 

 

My personal experience is that my legs are far more fatigued and broken on the Down than the Up. I feel more able of taking advantage of the drop from Umlaas road to Ashburton.

 

5-10 seconds per km over that distance is significant, don't discount how hard that is to do and maintain for 90km. For me that's the difference between T20 and winning the race.

This makes alot of sense..  

[Chris_]

Awesome story that transcends the running and show us your pets thread

 

 

https://thisislovepodcast.com/episode-24-gobi

 

"In June of 2016, Dion Leonard attempted one of the toughest races in the world—155 miles through the Gobi Desert. At the start of day two, he looked down and saw a little brown dog chewing on his shoes. Dion and the little dog were about to embark on an adventure that would change both of their lives."

I read this book the other day, very easy reading, a nice little feel good story

[Frosty]

@runwithcuan

Want to see what 3:05 per km looks like on the @ComradesRace course? Watch this! Sub 3:00 per km UP Inchanga? Watch towards the end! Sub 2:40 per km? Watch right to the end!

 

Shot this morning on a VERY cold day, following coach @MduVura

 

https://twitter.com/runwithcuan/status/1276947595756257283?s=21

[Frosty]

3min/Km is 20Km/h.

Some people can barely ride at that speed up Inchanga.

[Vetplant]

On the Running Power Estimator App:

 

I agree with others that calling this "Power" might not be the most accurate description. Cycling with power for a number of years, this feels more like a variant of Grade Adjusted Pace or Level Of Effort.

 

Regardless, it is a wonderful tool. I did a 10k test to see what it feels like to stick to a certain wattage. It was a very pleasant experience to be completely honest.

 

What struck me was seeing afterwards that my 1km splits had Ave HR figures that were within one BPM of each other. Which tells me the App does what it is intended to do, it evens out my effort. I knew that I didn't need to attack the hills like I used to, and at the same time I could speed up on the dowhills without being concerned that I'm cooking myself.

 

I came within 1min of my PB on that specific loop, without even really trying too hard.

 

A whole new world has been opened up for me.

[Pieter-za]

What struck me was seeing afterwards that my 1km splits had Ave HR figures that were within one BPM of each other. .

How is this different than running on HR?   (Asking to learn and to understand, as it sounds to have the (more or less) the same result?)

 

Eg, RP and HR on my 21 k run, why would one look at the one metrics as the 'primary' one, and not the other, as it seems largely 'interchangeable'?  (Be it HR or RP, generic question)

Edited June 29, 2020 by Pieter-za

[Jehosefat]

How is this different than running on HR?   (Asking to learn and to understand, as it sounds to have the (more or less) the same result?)

 

Eg, RP and HR on my 21 k run, why would one look at the one metrics as the 'primary' one, and not the other, as it seems largely 'interchangeable'?  (Be it HR or RP, generic question)

 

I think the big difference would be the fact that "power" is a fairly instantaneous measure whereas heart rate can have quite a lag (e.g. go too hard at the bottom of the hill before heart rate responds and increases and vice versa for the downhill)

 

Also heart rate can be affected by a number of factors (temperature, how much sleep you had, level of hydration, upward drift over long runs etc.) whereas power is a fairly absolute measure and should be consistent day-to-day and run-to-run.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Jehosefat

[Vetplant]

I think the big difference would be the fact that "power" is a fairly instantaneous measure whereas heart rate can have quite a lag (e.g. go too hard at the bottom of the hill before heart rate responds and increases and vice versa for the downhill)

 

Also heart rate can be affected by a number of factors (temperature, how much sleep you had, level of hydration, upward drift over long runs etc.) whereas power is a fairly absolute measure and should be consistent day-to-day and run-to-run.

Agree.

 

I would keep an eye on all of my metrics during the run, just to make sure all systems are running smoothly. I won't look at "Power" in isolation.

 

But in terms of pacing, especially on an unknown course, I would rely on "Power".

[Jewbacca]

Yoh... I've been thinking about it and for me it's just another black hole of data and wizardry that I can probably do without.

 

If I was still pushing sub3 marathons I can imagine it's a fantastic tool, but for an average Joe like me it's a lot of stuff to obsess over where the simple answer is 'consistency'.

 

Maybe I'm lucky, but I grew up using a stop watch, lamp posts and a little black book. That combo has held me in pretty good stead up till now and while I have seriously considered the Pod after this chat, will walk away and keep ticking over.

 

Foot loose and fancy free, or as some would say, a luddite.

[b-rad]

Maybe I'm lucky, but I grew up using a stop watch, lamp posts and a little black book. That combo has held me in pretty good stead up till now and while I have seriously considered the Pod after this chat, will walk away and keep ticking over.

 

 

And the same method worked just as well for so many of our local running greats. Bruce Fordyce, Jackie Mekler, Alan Robb, Wally Hayward etc etc. (edit. of course all the modern technology wasn't around then but if it were would they see much better results? I'm leaning towards a no).

consistency. focus on the basics and enjoyment are key. Not gadgets.

Edited June 29, 2020 by b-rad

[Vetplant]

 

Foot loose and fancy free...

 

 

...focus on the basics and enjoyment are key. ..

Very good points.

 

Something very enjoyable about just going for a run without a care in the world.