V12man Posted February 5, 2016 Share Bru if you feel the need to exceed the daily dosage then you got a seriaaaas problem and maybe need to consult a mortician.One puff of Venteze generally does the trick of loosening up a tight chest. Maybe another puff a cople of hours later.Anyone that needs16puffs......eishI have seen reports of urinary levels that would indicate 50 or more puffs over a 6 hour stage.... that's just stupid.... raptor-22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted February 5, 2016 Share Ah yes, didn't another one of his quotes go something like "you ask me what I am on, I tell you that I am on my bike whilst you are on your couch" or words to that effect..... ps. Who says that I have NOT already achieved a sub3 Argust ? PS. OK, my only sub3 was admittedly last year but I did do a 3:03 over Ou-Kaapse some years ago What are you on? I'm on my bike 6 hours a day. Credit: Armstrong, Lance Lexx, eddy and DIPSLICK 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohanC Posted February 5, 2016 Share Absa Cape Epic should test the entire field this year. Kudos to their Zero Tolerance Policy! V12man and rouxtjie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted February 5, 2016 Share What are you on? I'm on my bike 6 hours a day. Credit: Armstrong, Lance That is the one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydude Posted February 5, 2016 Share Does the Epic only have a lifetime ban for taking prohibited substances or does it cover any Epic/UCI/CSA rules broken? Edited February 5, 2016 by andydude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunariaan Posted February 5, 2016 Share to prove herself on this is purely up to her.But what i can say about Yolande de Villiers is that she is one of the nicest pro's i have ever met.Always time for other racers and kids.She has 3 daughters. .can see why she would ever want to disappointment them. Then while we on the topic.Cycling unions or whatever they want to call themselfs must grow some balls..this 2 year or 11 month bans ect is bull****.Dopers should be banned for life. TALUS, RocknRolla and NelAndre 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barend de Arend Posted February 5, 2016 Share Not quite so simple - but it is one of the few I have seen that has allowable levels (which are insanely high for clinical use, and far above the reccomended daily dosages) One has to be somewhat careful to make sure you use all possible names of all constituents of the medication being checked - sometimes trade names work, sometimes they don't - so it's a case of being VERY careful about what you take - and there is also the complication that some homeopathic/unscheduled "meds" are not very well documented in their actual constituents, so very hard to be 100% sure on what is actually in them - supplements especially have this issue - only the manufacturer (maybe) knows EXACTLY what went into it - the labelling is often very marginal. I have actually attempted checking supplements. You need Google and Wikipedia to find all the synonyms for the ingredients. It's not easy; and the supplement guys seem to want to obfuscate it. That, of course, assumes that what's in the tin is what's written on the side. I'm a strong proponent of stricter rules there, likewise with herbal meds. Homeopathy (vs. herbal/unscheduled) is easy: it contains nothing by definition. If there's something in there, it's not homeopathic. raptor-22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted February 5, 2016 Share What are you on? I'm on my bike 6 hours a day. Credit: Armstrong, Lancehttps://youtu.be/MIl5RxhLZ5U jcza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted February 5, 2016 Share Lance Armstrong Nike Commercial against doping. 2001 Tour de France is lucky he saved them from that messy Festina affair eddy, DIPSLICK and TALUS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydude Posted February 5, 2016 Share I have actually attempted checking supplements. You need Google and Wikipedia to find all the synonyms for the ingredients. It's not easy; and the supplement guys seem to want to obfuscate it. That, of course, assumes that what's in the tin is what's written on the side. I'm a strong proponent of stricter rules there, likewise with herbal meds. Homeopathy (vs. herbal/unscheduled) is easy: it contains nothing by definition. If there's something in there, it's not homeopathic. Supplements is a whole new problem area. They of course will never guarantee the supplements are without prohibited substances and the biggest risk is contamination by other products they sell. Did you know that the supplement companies use specially tested batches for their athletes? They would take a normal batch and test it and if clean give that to their sponsored and other athletes. Actually thinking now, what happens to the not clean batches mmm... From the US, but read this: Most Americans are unaware that designer steroids and other dangerous drugs are intentionally being sold as dietary supplements and that current law makes it too easy for these products to get to the market. Best estimates suggest that there are hundreds of supplement products currently available that contain one or more of approximately 20 to 25 designer steroids alone. For example, in a 2004 study funded by the International Olympic Committee, 18.8 percent of the 245 supplements analyzed from the United States were found positive for steroids. In a 2007 HFL study, of the 54 supplements that were analyzed for stimulants, 6 were positive (11.1 percent); of the 52 supplements analyzed for steroids, 13 were positive (25 percent). http://www.usada.org/resources/nutrition/vitamins-minerals-and-other-supplements/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry King Posted February 5, 2016 Share Not the same Yolande (I think it's Yolande du Toit that is the Dr)I think the Doc is Ischen Stopforth... not Yolandi Gen and WR 1.0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted February 5, 2016 Share I think the Doc is Ischen Stopforth... not YolandiWhahaha.. yes it is Ischen lol WR 1.0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mornevg Posted February 5, 2016 Share Certain pro's using the TUE application process as a scapegoat, is just a way of them trying to manipulate the system and hide obvious dubious practices. I was a competitive track cyclist attending World Champs for years (not saying this to drop names, simply to illustrate I have experience in this matter). And I ALWAYS knew what was in the meds I was taking if I were to get sick. And if you didn't, you went without it. Because of my asthma I had to apply for a TUE every year, VENTEZE was on the prohibited list untill 2012 and then removed, and I did not compete if I did not have that TUE in my posession. I saw a posting about the Drugfree Sports online medicine check. That was helpfull, but not always that thorough, BUT Drugfree Sport has a handbook they give out every year in January. FREE OF CHARGE with EVERY LAST medicine known to mankind in there. And if still in doubt, they have a HOTLINE you can phone for assistance if you still aren't sure. These are things that I as a competitive amateur knew by hart and followed to the letter. More so if you are a pro and making a living out of cycling. It's your job, your obligation to abide by the rules, set out very clearly. The point I am trying to make is: certain pro's using the excuse of "I accidentally got this banned masking agent in my sample.....", for THREE months nogal, that's just plain absurd and frankly a slap in every clean cyclist out there's face. The thing is, I get the idea there are more to follow. Meerkat82, Kom, Andrew Steer and 15 others 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baaisikilist Posted February 5, 2016 Share Come on guys its been made easy enough. Click on the link and put in your medication. It only takes a couple of seconds and you can do it on your phone. http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/app/ You don't need to know the detailed ingredients of your medication and you don't need a Doctor to help.I know this was a million posts ago, but if I may chime in... I had stanazolol in my system. Now, I know it's banned, and I'm not going to delve into that whole story again. But... Type Illium Stanabolic (the one I took for years before I had a bicycle), into the app search. Nothing comes up. So, saying its as simple as putting the name of your meds into the search isn't 100% accurate. That 70 year old oom could have a cold before his 7 hour race, get given a tablet or 2 by his wife that had them left over from her influenza back in '68, he types in the name and nothing comes up, pees in a cup and boom, son of a doping mother effer, he's dirty. I find it hard to believe that she was tested, on 3 separate occasions, and all 3 showed an adverse analytical finding, and she knew full well that she was on it. On all 3 occasions, and still continued to arrogantly roll that dice, laughing all the way... Do you think the retards at CSA, SAIDS etc are any different from the ones running our country...? Half assed systems aren't worth having. Everyone cries foul about the athletes failing the system. My money is on the system failing the athlete in a drawn out fumbling of process for a TUE here... Edited February 5, 2016 by Baaisikilist mazambaan, raptor-22, GLuvsMtb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barend de Arend Posted February 5, 2016 Share Supplements is a whole new problem area. They of course will never guarantee the supplements are without prohibited substances and the biggest risk is contamination by other products they sell. Did you know that the supplement companies use specially tested batches for their athletes? They would take a normal batch and test it and if clean give that to their sponsored and other athletes. Actually thinking now, what happens to the not clean batches mmm... From the US, but read this: Most Americans are unaware that designer steroids and other dangerous drugs are intentionally being sold as dietary supplements and that current law makes it too easy for these products to get to the market. Best estimates suggest that there are hundreds of supplement products currently available that contain one or more of approximately 20 to 25 designer steroids alone. For example, in a 2004 study funded by the International Olympic Committee, 18.8 percent of the 245 supplements analyzed from the United States were found positive for steroids. In a 2007 HFL study, of the 54 supplements that were analyzed for stimulants, 6 were positive (11.1 percent); of the 52 supplements analyzed for steroids, 13 were positive (25 percent). http://www.usada.org/resources/nutrition/vitamins-minerals-and-other-supplements/ Yep. The study was repeated, and also ran in the EU. This isn't just about doping, it's about health. You could be getting some stuff you really don't want. If this is happening in the US and EU, guess about RSA... Use real food. andydude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted February 5, 2016 Share Only realised now how silly this ban is, effectively a slap on the wrist as it is all retroactive? Ok, so she's now banned from the epic, but legal to do any other race? Of interest to me is this little Sunday stroll in may that I'm doing (she's listed in the second team) http://www.kineticgear.co.za/Events/Expedition-Africa#57314-team-format-and-teams-entered Edited February 5, 2016 by my stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now