Mtb sram vs shimano

[SwissVan]

I always swore by a 2X .

Last November I bought a new bike which came with XX1 , 1x11 .

Took me about 1 ride adapt .

There is very little doubt in my mind that for me , the 1X is WAY better .

I never need to worry about the FD .

Gearing seems to suit me , I have a 10-42 with a 34 up front .

I have not really had a problem with gear ratio's , but one thing I can say is that it takes a sh..load of strenght to push that 34/10 on anything less than a 3% decline .

 

 

I'm still riding 3x and 26"

And dreading buying my next mtb, its going to be a radical change...

Maybe I'll hold off for a few more years, that is while i still have the mental capacity and thumb dexterity to operate levers on both ends of my bars

 

[JCA12]

I'm still riding 3x and 26"

And dreading buying my next mtb, its going to be a radical change...

Maybe I'll hold off for a few more years, that is while i still have the mental capacity and thumb dexterity to operate levers on both ends of my bars

Same here. 26er hardtail xt 3x10. Wider gear ratios than 1x systems. No issues with shifting. Considering taking my xt system and transferring onto a 29er dual someday.

 

I do understand the simplicity argument. But in terms of gear ratios I'd rather have the ability to use a wider gear ratio. But manufacturers are pushing for 1x systems, so I will have to move over at some point.

[Eugene]

Same here. 26er hardtail xt 3x10. Wider gear ratios than 1x systems. No issues with shifting. Considering taking my xt system and transferring onto a 29er dual someday.

 

I do understand the simplicity argument. But in terms of gear ratios I'd rather have the ability to use a wider gear ratio. But manufacturers are pushing for 1x systems, so I will have to move over at some point.

I don't understand the simplicity argument. I find changing front gears with my left thumb pretty simple as it is and that little bit of inconvenience of clicking a little button with my left thumb is far outweighed by the benefit of 10 or so extra gears.

 

There are so many threads started by guys running 1x drivtrains asking for advice on what ratios to use, looking for bigger cogs, smaller rings etc etc. An indication that it's not that simple and further indication that they are struggling with the 1x option.

[WrightJnr]

Ive got XO1 Eagle on one MTB and M8000 XT on another. I ride both bikes weekly. I’ll take SRAM every time. Perfect shifting and indexing. The clutch on SRAM is far superior. Zero chainslap and light shifting feel on the lever. Like butter. The only and only thing I like with XT is the ability to downshift with my index finger.

 

 

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[ChrisF]

I don't understand the simplicity argument. I find changing front gears with my left thumb pretty simple as it is and that little bit of inconvenience of clicking a little button with my left thumb is far outweighed by the benefit of 10 or so extra gears.

 

There are so many threads started by guys running 1x drivtrains asking for advice on what ratios to use, looking for bigger cogs, smaller rings etc etc. An indication that it's not that simple and further indication that they are struggling with the 1x option.

 

simplicity - for normal "trail" riding a 2x system is perfectly fine. no need for instant shifting of both front and rear.  Get to places like stairway-to-heaven, where you come into it with some momentum and have to quickly drop a couple of gears And negotiate a turn and and a wooden bridge .....  Many just slow down to deal with the turn, and lose all their momentum.  Being able to shift just one lever is "handy" in these types of situations.

 

 

gear ratios - I do believe many start with a 2x or even a 3x system and have little to no understanding of which gears they actually use/need .....  How often, if ever, do they "need" the granny ?  How often, if ever, do they use the top speed ?  IF you are going to go the 1x route you better be sure of your "needs".

 

A 10-50 SRAM Eagle set, matched with a 28 ring in the front gives you a super low granny up to 36km/h, spinning out at 40km/h.  This is fine for MY riding.  Those that need more top-end would go 32 or even 34 up front .... BUT, then they need strong legs for very steep climbs - or they should rather stay with 2x ....

[Jewbacca]

Ive got XO1 Eagle on one MTB and M8000 XT on another. I ride both bikes weekly. I’ll take SRAM every time. Perfect shifting and indexing. The clutch on SRAM is far superior. Zero chainslap and light shifting feel on the lever. Like butter. The only and only thing I like with XT is the ability to downshift with my index finger.

 

 

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You must be one of the only people in the world who doesn't have issues with the Eagle RD. 

 

Almost everyone I know absolutely loves the system when it works, which is unfortunately not all the time.

 

I also can't warrant paying 5k for a cassette that wears faster than Mr Price undies.

 

In fact, all gears actually suck and everyone should just ride a Single Speed. In the rain.

 

The post above mentions using a 28 tooth.... Remember that the smaller the chain ring, the bigger the jumps. The bigger the front chain ring, the smoother 1x feels.

 

If you aren't able to ride at least a 32, any 1x system feels clunky and trying to use momentum on climbs is really difficult because 1 shift on the top end of the cassette is a massive ratio skip, so you land up being in the wrong gear more often than not.

[thisismyotherbike]

A friend rides 500km+ every week, a competitive (amateur) endurance athlete focusing on 36One, Transbaviaans etc. This quantity of riding eats multiple chains, cassettes and chainrings in a year. What started out as a full XX1 1X11 setup has now been converted to XTR 1X11. The replacement costs locally are simply that much better.

 

That's if you ride crazy mileage (in South Africa, where the local SRAM distributor steals your lunch). If like me you upgrade before the chain is worn, ride what you like. I personally love the SRAM 1x12 groupsets.

[Andrew_Smith]

DUDE!!!

 

You're obviously not ready for roadieness yet.

 

C.A.M.P.A.G.N.O.L.O

 

[Headshot]

You must be one of the only people in the world who doesn't have issues with the Eagle RD. 

 

Almost everyone I know absolutely loves the system when it works, which is unfortunately not all the time.

 

I also can't warrant paying 5k for a cassette that wears faster than Mr Price undies.

 

In fact, all gears actually suck and everyone should just ride a Single Speed. In the rain.

 

The post above mentions using a 28 tooth.... Remember that the smaller the chain ring, the bigger the jumps. The bigger the front chain ring, the smoother 1x feels.

 

If you aren't able to ride at least a 32, any 1x system feels clunky and trying to use momentum on climbs is really difficult because 1 shift on the top end of the cassette is a massive ratio skip, so you land up being in the wrong gear more often than not.

I have a Shimano 1x10 and a GX 1x11.

 

There is very little difference between the shift quality although the SRAM has a lighter feel when shifting down ie into a bigger cog out back. Shimano offers multiple up shifts with one push ((i.e into a smaller cog) which I miss on the GX. The GX also seems prone to hanging up a bit while the Shimano is snappier when going into a smaller cog.

 

The ergonomics are not as good as Shimano (Saint 10s shifter mounted on SLX levers). I cant get a decent angle on them despite using match maker levers. 

 

There are other options to Eagle eg E13 - 511% range cassette and works  with Shimano derailleurs, which are also lower profile on a medium cage than the uber long SRAM items. Just ask YT why they spec this on their bikes.

 

6 of 1 and half a dozen really.

[Jewbacca]

I have a Shimano 1x10 and a GX 1x11.

 

There is very little difference between the shift quality although the SRAM has a lighter feel when shifting down ie into a bigger cog out back. Shimano offers multiple up shifts with one push ((i.e into a smaller cog) which I miss on the GX. The GX also seems prone to hanging up a bit while the Shimano is snappier when going into a smaller cog.

 

The ergonomics are not as good as Shimano (Saint 10s shifter mounted on SLX levers). I cant get a decent angle on them despite using match maker levers. 

 

There are other options to Eagle eg E13 - 511% range cassette and works  with Shimano derailleurs, which are also lower profile on a medium cage than the uber long SRAM items. Just ask YT why they spec this on their bikes.

 

6 of 1 and half a dozen really.

The E13 cassette is also 7 gazillion zar isn't it?

 

My comment about the feel of 1x using a 28 tooth chainring still stands no matter what the range is.

 

It is simply too small and the ratio changes are massive jumps. The 50 tooth is supposed to allow you the same bail out ratio as say, 32x42, but allow you to run a bigger front ring to better alleviate top end speed as well as shift jumps.

 

Although it gives you an insane bail out that allows you to spin like Froomedawg, the awesome range is negated by the big jumps. 1 shift up means you lose all torque and have to just keep upshifting or get out the saddle and sit and get out the saddle and sit instead of using the rotation of the wheels and progressively shifting up in smaller increments, allowing you to potentially climb faster using less effort, which is pretty important

[sirmoun10goat]

You must be one of the only people in the world who doesn't have issues with the Eagle RD. 

 

Almost everyone I know absolutely loves the system when it works, which is unfortunately not all the time.

 

I also can't warrant paying 5k for a cassette that wears faster than Mr Price undies.

 

In fact, all gears actually suck and everyone should just ride a Single Speed. In the rain.

 

The post above mentions using a 28 tooth.... Remember that the smaller the chain ring, the bigger the jumps. The bigger the front chain ring, the smoother 1x feels.

 

If you aren't able to ride at least a 32, any 1x system feels clunky and trying to use momentum on climbs is really difficult because 1 shift on the top end of the cassette is a massive ratio skip, so you land up being in the wrong gear more often than not.

 

Never had a single issue with my XO1 Eagle RD - and that has seen some serious muddy ride

 

Mr Price undies must be good - over 6000km on my first casette, and looking good. Wear is minimal, I am expecting to get at least 10 000km out of this casette

 

The ratio's are fixed, so a small chain ring wont make the jumps feel bigger

[Jehosefat]

The ratio's are fixed, so a small chain ring wont make the jumps feel bigger

 

Absolute jumps are bigger with a bigger chainring but the relative jumps are the same regardless.

E.g with a 28 chainring shifting from the 12 to the 10 you go from a 2.33 ratio to a 2.8 ratio (a change of 0.47) with a 32 on the front you go from 2.67 to 3.2 (a change of 0.54) however in both cases, the shift makes you 20% faster (for the same cadence)

[EmptyB]

Never had a single issue with my XO1 Eagle RD - and that has seen some serious muddy ride

 

Mr Price undies must be good - over 6000km on my first casette, and looking good. Wear is minimal, I am expecting to get at least 10 000km out of this casette

 

The ratio's are fixed, so a small chain ring wont make the jumps feel bigger

Ditto, flawless Eagle RD for 5000km under any sort of conditions...

[ChrisF]

...uhm, some interesting opinions .....

 

Shimano 11-36 cassette :

11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36

Thus "2 teeth" hops at the lower end, the "+3T" for two and then "+4" for the rest.

 

Some would say that the Shimano 11-42 cassette is more popular : 

11, 13, 15, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42

NOTE - see how quickly this set goes from 15 to 24 - only 2 intermediate gears, while the "old" design has much closer gaps.

 

Now for the SRAM 1x12 gearing:

10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42, 50

Same "+2T" at the low end, same "+3T" in the mid range as with the original 11-36, and the exact same "+4T" on the upper end.  The only difference being it starts one lower and adds two gears to provide a 42 and a 50 gear.  

 

Sorry, I dont understand how somebody can say the "gear spread" (gaps between gears) is wider with the Eagle .....

 

JIP, a nice jump from the 42 to the 50.  But RIDING it on steep sections this gap works for me.

 

 

Sorry gents, but the "gap argument" does not hold up when looking at the actual specifications.

[ChrisF]

Has a nice commute this afternoon, on my trusty old 3x10 steed.

 

small front, mid to high on the back as I climb the hill at Bloemhof.  The hill abruplty levels out AT the robot.  Drop a few gears at the back, up one in the front, ..... few peddle strokes later I am mid turn and need to up one more in the front .... and as I turn down Bill Bezuidenhout I am working the back lever as I gain speed ....

 

 

Seriously wish I had a 2x setup on the commute bike !!!  1x would be very nice, though too pricey for a commute bike.

[Meezo]

Sram for shifting bits Derailers + Shifters

Shimano for drivetrain Cassette + Chain

Shimano for brakes

 

Never did like Shimanos shifting on all the 1x setups, and same could be said for me with SRAM brakes they all feel rubbish!