dsw Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Not a repeat post, but we have seen this all before, and the outcome is always the same 1n36l2.jpg Although I know looks or appearances can be deceiving Floyd certainly came across as quite "shifty" in comparison to Chris. Even the part where he read the statement was not particularly well rehearsed.
Patchelicious Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Although I know looks or appearances can be deceiving Floyd certainly came across as quite "shifty" in comparison to Chris. Even the part where he read the statement was not particularly well rehearsed. Look trying to compare SKY to Postal is like saying badminton is the same as MMA because they are both sports.
Velouria Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Although I know looks or appearances can be deceiving Floyd certainly came across as quite "shifty" in comparison to Chris. Even the part where he read the statement was not particularly well rehearsed. Again - the difference here is that this is the day after the Tour de France. Right after he had been suspended by his team. Not 3 months later where he has had a chance to practise his story. And then keep changing it twice in a week... And I believed Floyd. I believed his sister. I trusted the science. I even donated to the Floyd Fairness Fund because I'd seen him kakking off on the side of a mountain - there was no way he was doping and barely able to hang with the grupetto!
Shebeen Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Again - the difference here is that this is the day after the Tour de France. Right after he had been suspended by his team. Not 3 months later where he has had a chance to practise his story. And then keep changing it twice in a week... And I believed Floyd. I believed his sister. I trusted the science. I even donated to the Floyd Fairness Fund because I'd seen him kakking off on the side of a mountain - there was no way he was doping and barely able to hang with the grupetto!well you can still contribute to Floyd's wellbeing, and even get something in return that's Floyd at his marijuana factory
dsw Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 well you can still contribute to Floyd's wellbeing, and even get something in return that's Floyd at his marijuana factory Everybody must get stoned
WrightJnr Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Look trying to compare SKY to Postal is like saying badminton is the same as MMA because they are both sports.Can we at least say badminton to tennis? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Bonus Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Can we at least say badminton to tennis? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFeathers V Balls . . . . ;-)
'Dale Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Q: In terms of salbutamol, I understand the issue with high doses is that it is linked to a muscle-building effect over a certain amount… A: It is. It is thought that high doses…it is a similar class of drug to Clenbuterol and it is thought that can build up lean muscle mass and maintain muscle mass at very high doses. The reason it is banned at high doses in sport is for two reasons. One, for the health effect – it is dangerous. And the second is the anabolic effect. READ MORE ???? https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/certainly-doesnt-look-good-doctor-speaks-froome-case/
WrightJnr Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Feathers V Balls . . . . ;-)I’m ok with that....Feathers on birds that fly in the ... and we all know the Postal rider was missing a ....
Eldron Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 I see Tony Martin has back tracked on his double standard statement. I wonder who he got a call from...
Gen Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 I see Tony Martin has back tracked on his double standard statement. I wonder who he got a call from...A UCI rep...well according to his statement. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
V12man Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Q: In terms of salbutamol, I understand the issue with high doses is that it is linked to a muscle-building effect over a certain amount… A: It is. It is thought that high doses…it is a similar class of drug to Clenbuterol and it is thought that can build up lean muscle mass and maintain muscle mass at very high doses. The reason it is banned at high doses in sport is for two reasons. One, for the health effect – it is dangerous. And the second is the anabolic effect. READ MORE https://cyclingtips.com/2017/12/certainly-doesnt-look-good-doctor-speaks-froome-case/Clearly they have not used salbutamol in high enough doses to see an anabolic effect.... you will have heart palpitations and assorted nervous system side effects LONG before you get to those doses - and I would venture to say that you would not voluntarily maintain a regime long enough to see any effect.... Kind of like a caffeine overdose on steroids - nobody will maintain those levels for long - it's really unpleasant - even for an asthmatic mid asthma attack they generally don't like therapeutic doses effects.... and those are far below the doses "thought" to create an anabolic effect. The science is pretty clear that performance during exercise is only maintained for asthmatics by salbutamol (not increased above what they have normally outside bronchospasm) - and there are downsides to it's use - increased heart rates even at rest, and associated side effects. I feel for Chris - the clearance of salbutamol from the body is very variable - so it's completely possible he stayed within the legal dose limits, but his urinary metabolite levels are too high - and it going to be VERY difficult to replicate the physiological and environmental conditions exactly to do a proper controlled test - next best thing to impossible, although they may get lucky - but my guess is they will try all other routes possible first to get around it.
SwissVan Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Clearly they have not used salbutamol in high enough doses to see an anabolic effect.... you will have heart palpitations and assorted nervous system side effects LONG before you get to those doses - and I would venture to say that you would not voluntarily maintain a regime long enough to see any effect.... Kind of like a caffeine overdose on steroids - nobody will maintain those levels for long - it's really unpleasant - even for an asthmatic mid asthma attack they generally don't like therapeutic doses effects.... and those are far below the doses "thought" to create an anabolic effect. The science is pretty clear that performance during exercise is only maintained for asthmatics by salbutamol (not increased above what they have normally outside bronchospasm) - and there are downsides to it's use - increased heart rates even at rest, and associated side effects. I feel for Chris - the clearance of salbutamol from the body is very variable - so it's completely possible he stayed within the legal dose limits, but his urinary metabolite levels are too high - and it going to be VERY difficult to replicate the physiological and environmental conditions exactly to do a proper controlled test - next best thing to impossible, although they may get lucky - but my guess is they will try all other routes possible first to get around it.Thanks for the “informed” postGood to hear professional opinion
Gen Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Clearly they have not used salbutamol in high enough doses to see an anabolic effect.... you will have heart palpitations and assorted nervous system side effects LONG before you get to those doses - and I would venture to say that you would not voluntarily maintain a regime long enough to see any effect.... Kind of like a caffeine overdose on steroids - nobody will maintain those levels for long - it's really unpleasant - even for an asthmatic mid asthma attack they generally don't like therapeutic doses effects.... and those are far below the doses "thought" to create an anabolic effect. The science is pretty clear that performance during exercise is only maintained for asthmatics by salbutamol (not increased above what they have normally outside bronchospasm) - and there are downsides to it's use - increased heart rates even at rest, and associated side effects. I feel for Chris - the clearance of salbutamol from the body is very variable - so it's completely possible he stayed within the legal dose limits, but his urinary metabolite levels are too high - and it going to be VERY difficult to replicate the physiological and environmental conditions exactly to do a proper controlled test - next best thing to impossible, although they may get lucky - but my guess is they will try all other routes possible first to get around it.Would he not have tested above the limit before if there was a metabolic issue.. as far as we know he hasn't been on the naughty chair before..or is that something that can vary from day to day? There is talk that using it in either nebulizer or pill form would also result in high numbers..but of course they say it would be much higher...I suppose depending on when it was taken? A few days ago they said he had taken 3 puffs after the stage but before the press conference to appear healthy...would that result in a high reading? Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
Bateleur1 Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Clearly they have not used salbutamol in high enough doses to see an anabolic effect.... you will have heart palpitations and assorted nervous system side effects LONG before you get to those doses - and I would venture to say that you would not voluntarily maintain a regime long enough to see any effect.... Kind of like a caffeine overdose on steroids - nobody will maintain those levels for long - it's really unpleasant - even for an asthmatic mid asthma attack they generally don't like therapeutic doses effects.... and those are far below the doses "thought" to create an anabolic effect. The science is pretty clear that performance during exercise is only maintained for asthmatics by salbutamol (not increased above what they have normally outside bronchospasm) - and there are downsides to it's use - increased heart rates even at rest, and associated side effects. I feel for Chris - the clearance of salbutamol from the body is very variable - so it's completely possible he stayed within the legal dose limits, but his urinary metabolite levels are too high - and it going to be VERY difficult to replicate the physiological and environmental conditions exactly to do a proper controlled test - next best thing to impossible, although they may get lucky - but my guess is they will try all other routes possible first to get around it. A response from someone that actually studied medicine
'Dale Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 A response from someone that actually studied medicine Leave the medical science to the scientistsLeave the melodrama and forkpitches to them fans Have huge respect for these professional athletes.It's one helluvva job (and high earnings for the marquee riders in the team)With it comes responsibilities and benefits.Whichever way this goes for Froome Dawg, he exceeded the threshold by 20 bike lengths and there'll be a price to pay.
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