Next XTR: It is 12 speed !

[Traveler]

Just saw a release date on Shimano's Instagram. 25/05/2018. It's coming.

 

Who cares?

 

They are doing a 10-51 which is 510%..... e*Thirteen 9-46 is 511%, so Sh1tmano is still behind.

 

Now if they did a 10-52, that might have been interesting.

..... will give it, Shimano makes good fishing reels, but not as good as Penn or Abu Garcia.

[SwissVan]

And then you do that on a Scott Spark with the lekker lockout levers, and then you hear about these dropper post things. And then you mount your light nexto your Garmin so you can go for a night ride. And then 900mm bar widths become the new benchmark.

Exactly

And don’t forget the bell ????

And then a chain catcher thing on the frame almost where the FD should be

And then you almost back at square one....wishing for 2 x

[Headshot]

It's never been a better time to be a 2x lover.. it's hard to give away a FD these days.

[Alastair_S1D]

Advantages of 1x vs 2x system

 

Improved Ground Clearance due to smaller chain ring.

Improved Chain Retention and Much Smoother pedaling action due to the NW chain ring (Longer Teeth) and Precision CNC Manufacture.

Less Chain Noise and Improved Chain Line. Chain dropping eliminated.

Eliminates 5 adjustments L H Height Tension Parallelism.

All Gears Usable. Cleaner Cockpit Layout and Lighter Bike.

Max Speed of 30-36 Km/hr Achievable dependent on Chain Ring Tooth Count. 29er.

Min Speed of 6-9 Km/Hr Achievable depending on Chain Ring/Cassette Combination.

Tuneable - Front Chain Ring can be changed in minutes and are freely available.(Reasonably Priced)

Chain can be easily removed from crank for cleaning and maintenance. (Chain stays cleaner, the NW ring seems to eject dirt from the chain.)

Cheaper to maintain bike due to reduced parts count. Even wear on cassette because you now use all the gears.

No speed loss when you change from big ring to small ring on a 2x.

 

But the best Advantage is the way it rides, the close ratios are a big +, You find yourself improving and being able to tackle more difficult situations with ease.

sorry but going to have to disagree with you there. The chain line is worse on a 1x. It certainly isn't better. On a 2x when you are on the low end of the cassette you will be in the small ring = straighter chain line. The same goes for being on the big ring when you are on the high end of the cassette. When on the extremes of the cassette a 1x is bending the chain and chain noise is greater.

 

Ground clearance probably isn't much better as you need a rear mech with a longer cage to accommodate that dinner plate rear cassette. Max speed on a 2x is in excess of 50kph.

 

Chain dropping isn't eliminated. It can still happen. A big enough hit will still dislodge it.

 

Chain rings may be freely available but I don't need to swap out chain rings.

 

Lighter bike? Not really. Not when you look at it closely. Bikes are not lighter. My 2x Merida now weighs 9.8KG. Most 1x GX or XO equipped 1x hardtails are the exact same. And you have more rotating mass on the rear wheel thanks to the dinner plate. The 20-50 grams you loose in the crank doesn't make up for the added weight on the rear. And front mech and Shifter is static weight. Also as somebody before meentioned. Include accessories for your 1x like a chain guide and suddenly there is no weight advantage. So it's worth nothing. If you want to loose weight. Loose it on yourself. It's more effective and lighter in your wallet.

 

Cheaper to maintain. How many front derailleurs do you guys break? How do you break them? 12 years of riding. 5 mountain bikes and 2 road bikes. I've never broken a front mech. I guess maybe I just look after my bike? I don't know how everybody has these problems? Or maybe we are just imagining there are problems now because 1x is all the rage so now we imagine there to be issues? 20K kilometers on my current MTB and I've dropped the chain about 5 times. But that's over extremely technical terrain and my rear derailleur is not clutched. I can imagine I would never have an issue with chain retention once I have upgraded to a cluched rear derailleur.

 

I use all my gears on my 2x????.

 

All these "advantages" of a 1x aren't really there if you really dig into it. I've done the math. Calculated the gear ratios. Calculated weight differences. Calculated steps between gears. 1x does not have as much going for it nearly as much as people think it does.

[Alastair_S1D]

Who cares?

 

They are doing a 10-51 which is 510%..... e*Thirteen 9-46 is 511%, so Sh1tmano is still behind.

 

Now if they did a 10-52, that might have been interesting.

..... will give it, Shimano makes good fishing reels, but not as good as Penn or Abu Garcia.

and my 2x has 545%? 1x was redundant before it was even a thing

[Alastair_S1D]

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[Dieter ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

I just replaced my 2x (24/38 and 11-36) with a 1x (34 and 11-42). Parts were worn out and it was the same price for both options.

 

I'm excited and nervous. Excited for less stopping to put the chain back on. Excited to get much stronger. Nervous for the need to get much stronger. 

 

The real test will be magalies monster! Besides that, I do live in Gauteng so I don't need such a hectic granny gear.

[DieselnDust]

I've never broken a front derailleur and was so happy to see it go. I now have 12 gears I actually use no annoying overlaps and no annoying silly cadence moments when switching to the low gear range inner chain ring.

I've saved money on chain catchers, gear cables and gear housing sales have dropped. Heck I even find spare quiklinks to be unnecessary and just add weight and stress (did I forget it at home?!)

My left thumb no longer suffers strain injury because it only has a dropper to activate.

And best of all my mountain bike just looks so butch with that massive sprocket and single chain ring. No more roadie look for the mtb.

I like the look and simplicity so much that the 3T Strada looks like the way to go for road bikes too. We don't have real mountains in SA anyway so a second chain ring just seems so wasteful

[matthieup]

I've heard somewhere shimano might bring a 1x14 option

[Headshot]

sorry but going to have to disagree with you there. The chain line is worse on a 1x. It certainly isn't better. On a 2x when you are on the low end of the cassette you will be in the small ring = straighter chain line. The same goes for being on the big ring when you are on the high end of the cassette. When on the extremes of the cassette a 1x is bending the chain and chain noise is greater.

 

Ground clearance probably isn't much better as you need a rear mech with a longer cage to accommodate that dinner plate rear cassette. Max speed on a 2x is in excess of 50kph.

 

Chain dropping isn't eliminated. It can still happen. A big enough hit will still dislodge it.

 

Chain rings may be freely available but I don't need to swap out chain rings.

 

Lighter bike? Not really. Not when you look at it closely. Bikes are not lighter. My 2x Merida now weighs 9.8KG. Most 1x GX or XO equipped 1x hardtails are the exact same. And you have more rotating mass on the rear wheel thanks to the dinner plate. The 20-50 grams you loose in the crank doesn't make up for the added weight on the rear. And front mech and Shifter is static weight. Also as somebody before meentioned. Include accessories for your 1x like a chain guide and suddenly there is no weight advantage. So it's worth nothing. If you want to loose weight. Loose it on yourself. It's more effective and lighter in your wallet.

 

Cheaper to maintain. How many front derailleurs do you guys break? How do you break them? 12 years of riding. 5 mountain bikes and 2 road bikes. I've never broken a front mech. I guess maybe I just look after my bike? I don't know how everybody has these problems? Or maybe we are just imagining there are problems now because 1x is all the rage so now we imagine there to be issues? 20K kilometers on my current MTB and I've dropped the chain about 5 times. But that's over extremely technical terrain and my rear derailleur is not clutched. I can imagine I would never have an issue with chain retention once I have upgraded to a cluched rear derailleur.

 

I use all my gears on my 2x.

 

All these "advantages" of a 1x aren't really there if you really dig into it. I've done the math. Calculated the gear ratios. Calculated weight differences. Calculated steps between gears. 1x does not have as much going for it nearly as much as people think it does.

Dropped your chain 5x in 20 000 km... you must be hitting that tech terrain at a speed that is conducive to chain retention then....:-) Your experience is the minority one I assure you. 

[V12man]

you would love riding up and definitely DOWN hills too ............... if you guys had them

When are you coming to test our cableway bike park again?

[shaper]

I've never broken a front derailleur and was so happy to see it go. I now have 12 gears I actually use no annoying overlaps and no annoying silly cadence moments when switching to the low gear range inner chain ring.

I've saved money on chain catchers, gear cables and gear housing sales have dropped. Heck I even find spare quiklinks to be unnecessary and just add weight and stress (did I forget it at home?!)

My left thumb no longer suffers strain injury because it only has a dropper to activate.

And best of all my mountain bike just looks so butch with that massive sprocket and single chain ring. No more roadie look for the mtb.

I like the look and simplicity so much that the 3T Strada looks like the way to go for road bikes too. We don't have real mountains in SA anyway so a second chain ring just seems so wasteful

You sound like a hard man of mountain biking, so why you wasting your time with 12 gears? 1 x 1 sound best for you... else is all rather wasteful... as all of the above you can save even more

[Headshot]

Maybe Shimano will bring out a 14 speed gearbox - now if that was the case, what will you die hard 2/3x okes say...

[Hairy]

When are you coming to test our cableway bike park again?

First need to apply for a passport to come to JHB ............

[Eldron]

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But the best Advantage is the way it rides, the close ratios are a big +, You find yourself improving and being able to tackle more difficult situations with ease.

 

1x has closer ratios than 2x? I think you need to read up on your cassettes and try again...

[Alastair_S1D]

Dropped your chain 5x in 20 000 km... you must be hitting that tech terrain at a speed that is conducive to chain retention then....:-) Your experience is the minority one I assure you.

or I just know how to ride. It seems a lot of people don't know how to ride anymore and seem to just blame it on their gear instead of themselves.