The Veganism Thread

[Kranswurm]

According to the bottle it is plant and mineral based.. suppose conventional products would indirectly have a negative effect on animals by being harmful to the environment. I really don't know.. just guessing here

[emoji2368]

 

I am struggling to upload a higher resolution pic of the goodies I have but found this on the PnP website..

 

https://www.pnp.co.za/pnpstorefront/pnp/en/All-Products/Household-Cleaning/Window-Cleaners/PNP-GREEN-WINDOW-CLEANER-500ML/p/000000000000631795_EA

What makes it Vegan?

It does not say so

Its "Eco Conscious "

They dont work very well from my experience

 

Sorry

If it was a snake it would have bitten me

Right in the middle it says so

Edited May 6, 2020 by Kranswurm

[Mojoman]

Hi Gen!

 

I am so interested in this, what makes it Vegan? Or more to the point, why would a conventional chemical cleaner not be considered vegan?

 

NOT TROLLING! Genuinely curious.

 

Here in NZ we don't have Vegan cleaners, but there are heaps of Environmental Cleaners that are touted to be safer for the environment and using less harsh chemicals. Is this sort of the same thing you are referring to? Or are the Vegan cleaners using ingredients made specifically from plants?

I would imagine the product has not been tested on animals.

[Chris_]

This might explain some of the outbursts we've seen on this thread.

 

https://www.psypost.org/2020/05/meat-eaters-tend-to-have-better-psychological-health-than-vegetarians-56698

 

After 8 billion shouting posts on the corona threads? really....

 

You should have saved this ammo for another time

[Chris_]

sounds like marketing to me

 

Look up 'greenwashing', its what you're implying and ja its been super successful as a marketing tool.

[Grass Muncher]

As a cyclist. How do you lose weight without losing muscle in the process?

 

Reduce your calorie intake ovcourse but do you cut back on calories as a whole or only carbs. I trained insane this past week and didn't eat bread. I still ate 2250-2600 calories worth of food just like I would with the bread.

I felt like I didn't have enouth energy.

 

My brother is an incredible cyclist and lost 6kg (2kg creatine) in 4 weeks before a race. He couldn't help losing muscle as well because he went on a calorie deficit.

[Mojoman]

Man, this world...sometimes I think a more substantial virus than Corona is the only cure for mans greed and wanton wastage...disgusting.

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-ventilation-shutdown-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR3LCaBRqY6MYjHyFk15PPt3eguuVyq1xRXTZBzAa6ZqluS20Emyeuiwn30

[Wayne Potgieter]

Man, this world...sometimes I think a more substantial virus than Corona is the only cure for mans greed and wanton wastage...disgusting.

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-ventilation-shutdown-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR3LCaBRqY6MYjHyFk15PPt3eguuVyq1xRXTZBzAa6ZqluS20Emyeuiwn30

wow. That story is hardcore.

 

People are gross.

[Mojoman]

Agreed, its terrible what we do to animals. I don't know how people live with themselves doing this. If those animals have to be killed then surely there is a more humane way...but I suppose its all about the bottom line and choking hundreds of animals to death overnight is the cheapest option....

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

As a cyclist. How do you lose weight without losing muscle in the process?

 

Reduce your calorie intake ovcourse but do you cut back on calories as a whole or only carbs. I trained insane this past week and didn't eat bread. I still ate 2250-2600 calories worth of food just like I would with the bread.

I felt like I didn't have enouth energy.

 

My brother is an incredible cyclist and lost 6kg (2kg creatine) in 4 weeks before a race. He couldn't help losing muscle as well because he went on a calorie deficit.

Muscle mass needs protein to "survive" a calorie deficit. Feed sufficient protein, and you'll be in a better place for muscle sparing. 

[Goodbadugly]

Muscle mass needs protein to "survive" a calorie deficit. Feed sufficient protein, and you'll be in a better place for muscle sparing. 

You sure this new guy is not just another reincarnation of Odi?  

[Chris_]

You sure this new guy is not just another reincarnation of Odi?  

 

This will be his second? third? rebirth then

[Grass Muncher]

Man, this world...sometimes I think a more substantial virus than Corona is the only cure for mans greed and wanton wastage...disgusting.

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/29/pigs-factory-farms-ventilation-shutdown-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR3LCaBRqY6MYjHyFk15PPt3eguuVyq1xRXTZBzAa6ZqluS20Emyeuiwn30

I've seen footage on reddit of pigs getting killed similarly.

They crank up the heat and then release a non toxic gas. Takes up to 15min???? to kill the pigs while they go ballistic and die.

It's standard practice in America and its said that up to 25% of meat comes from this practice of killing. Statistic might not be accurate????‍♂️ but you get the point.

 

SA might not be as advanced but I've seen my Nigerian neighbors slaughter goats in their backyard. The goat will scream for minutes until it has bled out. I saw everything, he even used a normal kitchen knife. (I live in a proper neighborhood by the way????)

 

They kill a goat / bokkie twice a year and even keep rabbits in cages with no place to roam free.

But it doesn't really bother me, police won't give a $hit, I'm sure it might not be legal to kill an animal that big in your backyard.

[Mojoman]

I've seen footage on reddit of pigs getting killed similarly.

They crank up the heat and then release a non toxic gas. Takes up to 15min to kill the pigs while they go ballistic and die.

It's standard practice in America and its said that up to 25% of meat comes from this practice of killing. Statistic might not be accurate‍♂ but you get the point.

 

SA might not be as advanced but I've seen my Nigerian neighbors slaughter goats in their backyard. The goat will scream for minutes until it has bled out. I saw everything, he even used a normal kitchen knife. (I live in a proper neighborhood by the way)

 

They kill a goat / bokkie twice a year and even keep rabbits in cages with no place to roam free.

But it doesn't really bother me, police won't give a $hit, I'm sure it might not be legal to kill an animal that big in your backyard.

And the world wonders why its in such a mess.....!

[Grass Muncher]

FFS morph. What a great way to store rice when out riding. Only problem is it's luby.

[Grass Muncher]

We all know there as some nastys in meat people don't want to consume right?

 

High cholesterol, too much heme iron can be bad includeing an eccential amino acid called methionine which biosynthesize a non essential amino acid which can't be found in food called homocysteine.

 

The body is very very capable of getting rid of bad stuff. Cardio helps a lot to detoxify the body.

 

Let's take bodybuilders for instance. Just imagine eating 2 chicken a day. Just because you have muscle doesn't mean your body will more easily get rid of the excess bad stuff. Your body has almost no control of how much heme iron it absorbes because it gets absorbed so quickly and effectively.

Non heme iron (plants) is slowly absorbed and can be regulated.

[Chris_]

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3100029/cargo-ship-dozens-crew-and-almost-6000-cattle-feared-capsized

 

Typhoon Maysak: cargo ship with dozens of crew and almost 6,000 cattle feared capsized near Japan

 

It seems a lot, then you realise 6000 is only 3/4 of 1 percent that's killed every day. Tough way to go.

 

Edit: with headline

Edited September 3, 2020 by Chris_