The Veganism Thread

[Wayne Potgieter]

As a practicing Vegan - Can I tell you that vegan cheeses absolutely suck.

 

There is no journal article that provides a study on this as it is a universal truth appreciated by each person alive.

[Eldron]

As a practicing Vegan - Can I tell you that vegan cheeses absolutely suck.

 

There is no journal article that provides a study on this as it is a universal truth appreciated by each person alive.

Amen brother. If melted some are palatable but in solid state they are fekkin awful.

[Grass Muncher]

Edit: forgot to add that you 100% introduced the notion that milk is a major factor in osteoporosis in a way which made it clear you meant it as a statement rather than a question. Don't play games. It's annoying.

It's merely a theory that the proteins in milk will draw calsium from the bones to neutralize the acidity.

If I look at which countries have the most osteoporosis and drinks the most milk then I can say that it might have a huge factor in causing osteoporosis.

 

Human milk has 10 times less protein than cows milk. So why should a babies and toddlers be drinking something that's not meant for them to drink.

'Karen' will be doing the right thing by not feeding her children milk. Milk is not needed in a healthy and balanced diet. It's loaded with saturated fats.

A cup (237 ml) of whole milk contains 4.6 grams of saturated fat, which is about 20% of the daily amount recommended by the 2015 Dietary Guidelines for Americans.

 

From an evolutionary standpoint you shouldn't be drinking milk. A dog won't go and suck on a cow's tits.

[stefmeister]

It's merely a theory that the proteins in milk will draw calsium from the bones to neutralize the acidity.

If I look at which countries have the most osteoporosis and drinks the most milk then I can say that it might have a huge factor in causing osteoporosis.

 

Human milk has 10 times less protein than cows milk. So why should a babies and toddlers be drinking something that's not meant for them to drink.

'Karen' will be doing the right thing by not feeding her children milk. Milk is not needed in a healthy and balanced diet. It's loaded with saturated fats.

A cup (237 ml) of whole milk contains 4.6 grams of saturated fat, which is about 20% of the daily amount recommended by the 2015 Dietary Guidelines for Americans.

 

From an evolutionary standpoint you shouldn't be drinking milk. A dog won't go and suck on a cow's tits.

 

From an evolutionary standpoint? What about b12 then, evolution made us obligate carnivores. So we should ditch milk for an extra steak on the side, or does that argument not fit the narrative?

[Grass Muncher]

From an evolutionary standpoint? What about b12 then, evolution made us obligate carnivores. So we should ditch milk for an extra steak on the side, or does that argument not fit the narrative?

You're literally handing the argument to me if you want to pull the B12 card.

Where do you think cows get their B12 from? Ground and streamwater. If we were to live in the Bush then you would get your B12 from microorganisms living in soil and water. When humans were thirsty, they would drink their B12.

 

They literally have to feed cows B12 supplements. Your bacically getting B12 supplements secondarily from cows.

[Patchelicious]

You started the argument by saying:

 

“What do you guys think about milk being a huge factor in causing osteoporosis?”

 

Then on the very next post when challenged said:

 

“I'm definitely not saying that milk causes osteoporosis.”

 

Which is it?

[Grass Muncher]

You started the argument by saying:

 

“What do you guys think about milk being a huge factor in causing osteoporosis?”

 

Then on the very next post when challenged said:

 

“I'm definitely not saying that milk causes osteoporosis.”

 

Which is it?

I honestly ment by saying it as a rethorical question.

 

'I' do believe that milk is a huge factor in causing osteoporosis when data clearly backs my claim when 1st world countries are more prone to osteoporosis.

 

What are poor countries doing differently?

[Patchelicious]

I honestly ment by saying it as a rethorical question.

 

'I' do believe that milk is a huge factor in causing osteoporosis when data clearly backs my claim when 1st world countries are more prone to osteoporosis.

 

What are poor countries doing differently?

Sorry, so to clear up, you say that milk is a huge factor in the cause of osteoporosis?

 

Is the first world comparison based only on milk consumption, or has the total diet been taken into consideration?

[Grass Muncher]

Sorry, so to clear up, you say that milk is a huge factor in the cause of osteoporosis?

 

Is the first world comparison based only on milk consumption, or has the total diet been taken into consideration?

What I'm trying to say is

 

Milk is a huge factor in causing osteoporosis when taken into consideration what diet gets osteoporosis the most. Milk is the western worlds number 1 source of calcium.

 

The study above did show that an increase of milk by 2 to 3 glasses a day was linked to more fractures and a shorter livespan than the one glass of milk a day.

I don't believe milk causes osteoporosis because there's not enough big studies to back my claim.

I do believe that milk isn't good for you.

 

 

Ovcourse were diets not taken into consideration when they looked at which countries got the most osteoporosis but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what the standard American, Asian, African diet is.

[Patchelicious]

What I'm trying to say is

 

Milk is a huge factor in causing osteoporosis when taken into consideration what diet gets osteoporosis the most. Milk is the western worlds number 1 source of calcium.

 

The study above did show that an increase of milk by 2 to 3 glasses a day was linked to more fractures and a shorter livespan than the one glass of milk a day.

I don't believe milk causes osteoporosis because there's not enough big studies to back my claim.

I do believe that milk isn't good for you.

 

 

Ovcourse were diets not taken into consideration when they looked at which countries got the most osteoporosis but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what the standard American, Asian, African diet is.

Do you drink milk still?

[Grass Muncher]

Do you drink milk still?

No, last time I drank milk was about 2 years ago.

I got terrible acid reflux from drinking milk.

I use to drink 550ml a day back then.

 

 

How much milk do you drink per day?

What are your reason for not going plant-based/vegan yet?

[Pieter1]

No, last time I drank milk was about 2 years ago.

I got terrible acid reflux from drinking milk.

I use to drink 550ml a day back then.

 

 

How much milk do you drink per day?

What are your reason for not going plant-based/vegan yet?

I drink about 450ml a day. My reason is I like a bit of everything.

Got that flexitarian cook book from woolies a while back. Some lekker veggie/vegan dishes in there.

[Patchelicious]

No, last time I drank milk was about 2 years ago.

I got terrible acid reflux from drinking milk.

I use to drink 550ml a day back then.

 

 

How much milk do you drink per day?

What are your reason for not going plant-based/vegan yet?

If you don’t drink milk, then you don’t have to worry about your claims of it causing osteoporosis.

 

I don’t drink milk.

[arabsandals]

From an evolutionary standpoint you shouldn't be drinking milk. A dog won't go and suck on a cow's tits.

Evolution is not based on reason or logic, or some sort of intelligent design principles. Dumb **** often happens. Look at Panda bears and their carnivorous gut paired with a low nutrition diet of bamboo. Look at the laryngeal nerve of Giraffes. You can do whatever you like. If it keeps you alive long enough to propagate your genes, job's a good un. Evolution is a a dead end argument when applied to humans because we adapt our environment to us, not the other way around. I respect vegans for taking a stand against industrial farming and cruelty; I wish I was principled enough, but I'm too lazy, I like meat too much and viable alternatives are currently too expensive. But don't come with pseudo-scientific rubbish. It really leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, more so when you try to marshal your arguments on a scientific basis. This muddle headed, ignorant and low-effort approach is why we had idiots that support anti-vaxxers and think that Bill Gates is trying to implant people with microchips. You're part of the problem.

[Wayne Potgieter]

Evolution is not based on reason or logic, or some sort of intelligent design principles. Dumb **** often happens. Look at Panda bears and their carnivorous gut paired with a low nutrition diet of bamboo. Look at the laryngeal nerve of Giraffes. You can do whatever you like. If it keeps you alive long enough to propagate your genes, job's a good un. Evolution is a a dead end argument when applied to humans because we adapt our environment to us, not the other way around. I respect vegans for taking a stand against industrial farming and cruelty; I wish I was principled enough, but I'm too lazy, I like meat too much and viable alternatives are currently too expensive. But don't come with pseudo-scientific rubbish. It really leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, more so when you try to marshal your arguments on a scientific basis. This muddle headed, ignorant and low-effort approach is why we had idiots that support anti-vaxxers and think that Bill Gates is trying to implant people with microchips. You're part of the problem.

Actually, I kinda agree here.

 

In my own journey, I did not become a vegan/vegetarian because of science. I also was not emotionally blackmailed into it. It started as exploring different taste options because I got bored with the normal way we cooked. then realised that I felt healthier and more alive (this is extremely subjective) and then began to learn about the environmental and ethical arguments. 

 

I find that preachy vegans have the exact opposite effect of what they are trying to achieve. If you want to convince someone to come over to your side of the pasture, its generally better to attract them there with something nice, than to shame them for where they currently sit. That just alienates people and makes you a douche. (not you Arabsandals, the preachy vegans)

[Mojoman]

Actually, I kinda agree here.

 

In my own journey, I did not become a vegan/vegetarian because of science. I also was not emotionally blackmailed into it. It started as exploring different taste options because I got bored with the normal way we cooked. then realised that I felt healthier and more alive (this is extremely subjective) and then began to learn about the environmental and ethical arguments. 

 

I find that preachy vegans have the exact opposite effect of what they are trying to achieve. If you want to convince someone to come over to your side of the pasture, its generally better to attract them there with something nice, than to shame them for where they currently sit. That just alienates people and makes you a douche. (not you Arabsandals, the preachy vegans)

Ja, I'm not keen on the mental vegans.....they cause more harm than good.